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> But we do have a moral high ground No, you don't. You have an excellent propaganda and a totally chauvinistic attitude.

xbar 3y ago
Relative to Putin-Russia and CCP-China? The US maintains moral high ground.
- foverzar 3y ago
  Try asking people outside the western bubble. Relative to Russia/China, you just tell yourselves and everyone around that you are the good guys more often and much more stubbornly. To put it simply, you are just biased because you can't see yourself from the outside.
  - voz_ 3y ago
    I am from outside that bubble, and you are wrong.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      One could, of course, ask memebers of one of the following groups of what they think about Western moral superiority: Afghans, Pakistanis living in the border region to Afghnistan, Iraqis, the Shiit minority living in Southern Iraq, Palestinians, people Lebanon and Lybia... The list of wars the West (TM), as in NATO and various allies, have started over the last decades is way too long to claim any moral superiority when it comes to foreign policy. And the way we, especially in Europe, treat refugees from various countries differently certainly doesn't help. One group is allowed to drown in the Mediteranean, while certain other grouos get easy entry and extended stay visas. Nothing againstvthe latter, thaz was quite necessary, bit entities as rich as the EU could offer the same thing to all people in need, right?
    - foverzar 3y ago
      Where are you from exactly? Would you deny it being a rather common opinion?
      - voz_ 3y ago
        SPB.
  - xbar 3y ago
    Good guys? I don't think I said that, nor would I. The corporate greed of the West should not be denied. But freedom of speech, human rights, and climate change are areas where BRICS stands in a morally compromised position, relative to the West.
    - foverzar 3y ago
      > Good guys? I don't think I said that, nor would I > BRICS stands in a morally compromised position, relative to the West. So, specifically what did you mean by all that when compared the west to... what exactly, an economic pact of completely culturally different countries? I find that self-assigned supremacy in matters of climate change to be somewhat contrary to the fact that the West had pushed all the dirty production to the so called "third world states" (some happen to be BRICS) while still remaining the largest consumer, and then when faces with practical issues, engaged in fracking and reopened the coal mines. Do you honestly think you are the only ones who are bothered? This attitude is counterproductive and dangerous. I am legitimately scared when western folks start that superiority trope.
- FpUser 3y ago
  I thought whataboutism belongs to Russians /s We should be looking into the a mirror, not greeting ourselves with the thoughts that there are worse places. This way inevitably leads down, not up, if we are talking "high moral"

xbar 3y ago

Relative to Putin-Russia and CCP-China? The US maintains moral high ground.

foverzar 3y ago
Try asking people outside the western bubble. Relative to Russia/China, you just tell yourselves and everyone around that you are the good guys more often and much more stubbornly. To put it simply, you are just biased because you can't see yourself from the outside.
- voz_ 3y ago
  I am from outside that bubble, and you are wrong.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    One could, of course, ask memebers of one of the following groups of what they think about Western moral superiority: Afghans, Pakistanis living in the border region to Afghnistan, Iraqis, the Shiit minority living in Southern Iraq, Palestinians, people Lebanon and Lybia... The list of wars the West (TM), as in NATO and various allies, have started over the last decades is way too long to claim any moral superiority when it comes to foreign policy. And the way we, especially in Europe, treat refugees from various countries differently certainly doesn't help. One group is allowed to drown in the Mediteranean, while certain other grouos get easy entry and extended stay visas. Nothing againstvthe latter, thaz was quite necessary, bit entities as rich as the EU could offer the same thing to all people in need, right?
  - foverzar 3y ago
    Where are you from exactly? Would you deny it being a rather common opinion?
    - voz_ 3y ago
      SPB.
- xbar 3y ago
  Good guys? I don't think I said that, nor would I. The corporate greed of the West should not be denied. But freedom of speech, human rights, and climate change are areas where BRICS stands in a morally compromised position, relative to the West.
  - foverzar 3y ago
    > Good guys? I don't think I said that, nor would I > BRICS stands in a morally compromised position, relative to the West. So, specifically what did you mean by all that when compared the west to... what exactly, an economic pact of completely culturally different countries? I find that self-assigned supremacy in matters of climate change to be somewhat contrary to the fact that the West had pushed all the dirty production to the so called "third world states" (some happen to be BRICS) while still remaining the largest consumer, and then when faces with practical issues, engaged in fracking and reopened the coal mines. Do you honestly think you are the only ones who are bothered? This attitude is counterproductive and dangerous. I am legitimately scared when western folks start that superiority trope.
FpUser 3y ago
I thought whataboutism belongs to Russians /s We should be looking into the a mirror, not greeting ourselves with the thoughts that there are worse places. This way inevitably leads down, not up, if we are talking "high moral"