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While I generally agree, there's something more immediate. All of us having this view can refuse to ever buy or even use HP products, and explain to anyone and

While I generally agree, there's something more immediate. All of us having this view can refuse to ever buy or even use HP products, and explain to anyone and everyone at every opportunity exactly why this is. Boycotts can be immensely powerful, and strike fear into the hearts of those who would exploit us. Personally, I will never buy an HP product again. Absolute, permanent blacklist. It's simply way too disgusting to me that they would even consider doing this, let alone actually carry it out. What must they think of their customers? It's unforgivable.

bt4u 3y ago
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ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> Boycotts can be immensely powerful, and strike fear into the hearts of those who would exploit us. I cannot find a single example of a successful boycott in my lifetime. Can you?
- detrites 3y ago
  There've been some few recently in the public backlash to the "woke" movement. It's been so effective particularly regarding financials a rallying meme emerged: "Go woke, go broke!" Little of this reaches mainstream outlets, as embarrassing oneself's somewhat untenable for institutions in speedy declines, partly, from relatedly-shortsighted population-alienators.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  Most do nothing major, but I found a list as the top result from a search for "successful boycotts". https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boycotts-history-20180228-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boycotts-history-201802... In my lifetime: The South African Apartheid boycotts drove US congressional action and ultimately resulted in an end to apartheid.
ryao 3y ago
How about switching to laser printers from brands that do not play these shenanigans? As far as I know, the only one that does not do it is Canon, which has the same security chips, but lets you opt into disabling third party cartridge support. Also, of interest, is that HP and Canon printers can use the same toner cartridges: https://www.shop.xerox.com/supplies-accessories?brand=6346 https://www.shop.xerox.com/supplies-accessories?brand=6346 For the most part, HP does not make its own printers anymore and just sells rebadged printers running their own firmware. It would not surprise me if the ink for HP Smart Tank printers is identical to the ink for Canon Mega Tank printers. They reportedly are selling some models using technology that they obtained from Samsung, but aside from that, very little of what they sell they actually make. They are basically a middle man.
- LorenPechtel 3y ago
  AFIAK Brother doesn't play that game. At this point the only printer I have that isn't Brother is an industrial label printer that I need for work--and it's supplies (labels and thermal ribbon) have no electrical contacts at all.
underwater 3y ago
Let's apply the same logic to people then. "John scammed his neighbour of his life savings, we don't need to lock him up because lots of people will refuse to associate with him or supply him with goods and services." Making loss of business or minor fines the only mechanism for correcting behaviour, means that the leaders can view antisocial and unethical behaviour as a cost benefit tradeoff. And the lack of personal accountability means the company leadership has very limited downside, even if they completely screw up.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  Crimes of moral turpitude (e.g. fraud), and even some lesser civil acts, are sometimes punished by denying the convicted person the right to have an executive job for a period of years. And various forms of shunning have been codified into laws for a long time, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism But yes, I agree, the codification and conviction is better than non-governmental individual or group action.
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bt4u 3y ago

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ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> Boycotts can be immensely powerful, and strike fear into the hearts of those who would exploit us. I cannot find a single example of a successful boycott in my lifetime. Can you?

detrites 3y ago
There've been some few recently in the public backlash to the "woke" movement. It's been so effective particularly regarding financials a rallying meme emerged: "Go woke, go broke!" Little of this reaches mainstream outlets, as embarrassing oneself's somewhat untenable for institutions in speedy declines, partly, from relatedly-shortsighted population-alienators.
anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Most do nothing major, but I found a list as the top result from a search for "successful boycotts". https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boycotts-history-20180228-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-boycotts-history-201802... In my lifetime: The South African Apartheid boycotts drove US congressional action and ultimately resulted in an end to apartheid.

ryao 3y ago

How about switching to laser printers from brands that do not play these shenanigans? As far as I know, the only one that does not do it is Canon, which has the same security chips, but lets you opt into disabling third party cartridge support. Also, of interest, is that HP and Canon printers can use the same toner cartridges: https://www.shop.xerox.com/supplies-accessories?brand=6346 https://www.shop.xerox.com/supplies-accessories?brand=6346 For the most part, HP does not make its own printers anymore and just sells rebadged printers running their own firmware. It would not surprise me if the ink for HP Smart Tank printers is identical to the ink for Canon Mega Tank printers. They reportedly are selling some models using technology that they obtained from Samsung, but aside from that, very little of what they sell they actually make. They are basically a middle man.

LorenPechtel 3y ago
AFIAK Brother doesn't play that game. At this point the only printer I have that isn't Brother is an industrial label printer that I need for work--and it's supplies (labels and thermal ribbon) have no electrical contacts at all.

underwater 3y ago

Let's apply the same logic to people then. "John scammed his neighbour of his life savings, we don't need to lock him up because lots of people will refuse to associate with him or supply him with goods and services." Making loss of business or minor fines the only mechanism for correcting behaviour, means that the leaders can view antisocial and unethical behaviour as a cost benefit tradeoff. And the lack of personal accountability means the company leadership has very limited downside, even if they completely screw up.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Crimes of moral turpitude (e.g. fraud), and even some lesser civil acts, are sometimes punished by denying the convicted person the right to have an executive job for a period of years. And various forms of shunning have been codified into laws for a long time, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism But yes, I agree, the codification and conviction is better than non-governmental individual or group action.

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