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> this is beta, install on your own risk, this will void your warranty I’ve seen an increasing number of products I own prompt me to join a beta program that,

> this is beta, install on your own risk, this will void your warranty I’ve seen an increasing number of products I own prompt me to join a beta program that, if accepted, voids the warranty of the device. I help them vet early features before they roll them out to all of their users and, in exchange, they… ask me to let them maybe brick my device at my expense? Who agrees to these terms?

imachine1980_ 3y ago
if not maybe expode, whit asus at least you are not safe ¯\_('_')_/¯, but maybe you have your pc back.
Dalewyn 3y ago
Just so you know, overclocking also voids warranties regardless of manufacturer or vendor recommendations. This includes AMD EXPO[1][2] and Intel XMP[3][4]. If you want warranty coverage, don't overclock no matter how much the marketing encourages you. [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo [2]: Overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors and memory, including without limitation, altering clock frequencies / multipliers or memory timing / voltage, to operate outside of AMD’s published specifications will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software. [3]: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memor... [4]: Altering clock frequency or voltage may damage or reduce the useful life of the processor and other system components, and may reduce system stability and performance. Product warranties may not apply if the processor is operated beyond its specifications. Check with the manufacturers of system and components for additional details.
- hashworks 3y ago
  [2] and [4] sound like manual clock/voltage configurations, not the automatic OC of modern AMD CPUs or included XMP Profiles. Those are configs the manufacturer provided.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    [2] is explicit, saying "even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software." If it wasn't clear, it's the footnote in [1]. Overclocking has always voided warranties, it's why overclocking has traditionally been the realm of enthusiasts and tinkerers who generally aren't concerned with reliability, safety, or monetary value and know what they're doing. The more mundane users really should be made aware that overclocking is tantamount to playing with fire, sometimes literally.
    - merb 3y ago
      amd expo is covered by warranty. expo also does not overclock the cpu. that amd expo changed cpu voltage was a decision by asus, not by amd, the asus implementation is basically not up to spec.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        Overclocking RAM involves overclocking the memory controller which resides in the CPU. AMD themselves also make it clear that users who overclock "assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors" per the footnote on their EXPO page. Overclocking will void warranties, this is a fact that anyone who wants to overclock has to accept. AMD should be ashamed for hiding the literature behind a hidden footnote, but that doesn't excuse end-user ignorance.
        merb 3y ago
        expo won't void warranty. amd replaces expo'd processors. they make advertisments with expo. in the eu/uk they would not stand a chance to refuse any rma whatsoever when expo was enabled.

imachine1980_ 3y ago

if not maybe expode, whit asus at least you are not safe ¯\_('_')_/¯, but maybe you have your pc back.

Dalewyn 3y ago

Just so you know, overclocking also voids warranties regardless of manufacturer or vendor recommendations. This includes AMD EXPO[1][2] and Intel XMP[3][4]. If you want warranty coverage, don't overclock no matter how much the marketing encourages you. [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/expo [2]: Overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors and memory, including without limitation, altering clock frequencies / multipliers or memory timing / voltage, to operate outside of AMD’s published specifications will void any applicable AMD product warranty, even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software. [3]: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memor... [4]: Altering clock frequency or voltage may damage or reduce the useful life of the processor and other system components, and may reduce system stability and performance. Product warranties may not apply if the processor is operated beyond its specifications. Check with the manufacturers of system and components for additional details.

hashworks 3y ago
[2] and [4] sound like manual clock/voltage configurations, not the automatic OC of modern AMD CPUs or included XMP Profiles. Those are configs the manufacturer provided.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  [2] is explicit, saying "even when enabled via AMD hardware and/or software." If it wasn't clear, it's the footnote in [1]. Overclocking has always voided warranties, it's why overclocking has traditionally been the realm of enthusiasts and tinkerers who generally aren't concerned with reliability, safety, or monetary value and know what they're doing. The more mundane users really should be made aware that overclocking is tantamount to playing with fire, sometimes literally.
  - merb 3y ago
    amd expo is covered by warranty. expo also does not overclock the cpu. that amd expo changed cpu voltage was a decision by asus, not by amd, the asus implementation is basically not up to spec.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Overclocking RAM involves overclocking the memory controller which resides in the CPU. AMD themselves also make it clear that users who overclock "assume all risks and liabilities that may arise out of overclocking and/or undervolting AMD processors" per the footnote on their EXPO page. Overclocking will void warranties, this is a fact that anyone who wants to overclock has to accept. AMD should be ashamed for hiding the literature behind a hidden footnote, but that doesn't excuse end-user ignorance.
      - merb 3y ago
        expo won't void warranty. amd replaces expo'd processors. they make advertisments with expo. in the eu/uk they would not stand a chance to refuse any rma whatsoever when expo was enabled.