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I do understand that there are channels out there doing drama for the sake of drama. I do understand that, after over 6 years of following now, JayzTwoCents and

I do understand that there are channels out there doing drama for the sake of drama. I do understand that, after over 6 years of following now, JayzTwoCents and especially GamersNexus are no such channels. Furthermore, I do understand that if you have a business relationship with a sponsor, you request products which you will then show on your channel for the sake of reviewing. You are not getting it for free. Companies do get a review or visibility in return. That's how I do understand "sponsoring" and "marketing". So do you?

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago
> Companies do get a review or visibility in return. They get a favorable review or they cut the channel off. This is how media centered around consumable gear has always worked. Honest players aren't given early access or any at all so as to diminish their influence.
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- kitsunesoba 3y ago
  Which is why Steve/Gamers Nexus often has to buy hardware to review on their own dollar. They're not the least bit shy about being critical when it's called for, which has landed them on the blacklists of some hardware manufacturers.
  - bastardoperator 3y ago
    How can I expect take any reviewer seriously when they're getting paid by the people they're reviewing? It sounds like the guy in this video didn't get a sponsorship agreement and went scorched earth. I can at least respect Steve to some degree despite his constant negativity, that he will say what he feels regardless. I don't alway agree with the doom and gloom, but that's his style and it seems to work for him. I could understand this Jay person being with upset with Asus if they had some skin in the game but getting upset about free merchandize is outlandish, especially when you're requesting gear to essentially give away which is exactly what he mentions doing. The level of entitlement is off the charts. I'm also unsure why he mentioned the box having all sorts of labels from China on it. Here's the real irony. Just weeks ago this youtuber built themselves a rig with a 7950X3D, and given all the offerings available, they chose Asus. He even uses language in his rant to describe Asus as "seemingly solid". So the question is, what is this really about?
    - MrGilbert 3y ago
      It's not "free merchandize", as I outlined quite extensively a few posts above. Why he has choosen Asus is also explained in the video. He doesn't rant about Asus because he didn't get a sponsorship, he rants about them because they screwed customers over and failed to stand up for their mistakes in present and past. I think that's a huge difference.
      - bastardoperator 3y ago
        It is for him. You don't get to complain about a product when you're not actually buying the product or when you are in fact getting paid by a product manufacturer to showcase their products under the guise of a "review". He does rant about not having a sponsorship agreement with Asus. He clearly says all of his other sponsorship agreements finalized in Jan 2023, but that Asus hasn't. He has no clue if customers have been screwed over because he's never been a customer, and if he is, let's say he used his own money to buy the Hero board he mentions in the video, why did he go Asus like 5 weeks ago for his own stuff if he thought they were bad products, or a bad company? This sums up the entire ordeal perfectly, maybe it's backpedaling, but this doesn't seem like customers are getting screwed over. https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/13g3yep/comment/jjyqoaq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/13g3yep/comment/j...
- xbar 3y ago
  This is a good and healthy attitude to have and I do not want to diminish it. This is how I view all channels, generally. In this case, at this time, Gamers Nexus is pretty well respected as an entity that re-invests its success in increasing technical validation capability, and has been cut off more than once by vendors, leading to having to purchase its own hardware. They currently have my respect and trust on this motherboard topic. Jayz2Cents? His content is just not the same, but he does have a genuinely consumer-focused attitude, though.

kevin_thibedeau 3y ago

> Companies do get a review or visibility in return. They get a favorable review or they cut the channel off. This is how media centered around consumable gear has always worked. Honest players aren't given early access or any at all so as to diminish their influence.

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kitsunesoba 3y ago
Which is why Steve/Gamers Nexus often has to buy hardware to review on their own dollar. They're not the least bit shy about being critical when it's called for, which has landed them on the blacklists of some hardware manufacturers.
- bastardoperator 3y ago
  How can I expect take any reviewer seriously when they're getting paid by the people they're reviewing? It sounds like the guy in this video didn't get a sponsorship agreement and went scorched earth. I can at least respect Steve to some degree despite his constant negativity, that he will say what he feels regardless. I don't alway agree with the doom and gloom, but that's his style and it seems to work for him. I could understand this Jay person being with upset with Asus if they had some skin in the game but getting upset about free merchandize is outlandish, especially when you're requesting gear to essentially give away which is exactly what he mentions doing. The level of entitlement is off the charts. I'm also unsure why he mentioned the box having all sorts of labels from China on it. Here's the real irony. Just weeks ago this youtuber built themselves a rig with a 7950X3D, and given all the offerings available, they chose Asus. He even uses language in his rant to describe Asus as "seemingly solid". So the question is, what is this really about?
  - MrGilbert 3y ago
    It's not "free merchandize", as I outlined quite extensively a few posts above. Why he has choosen Asus is also explained in the video. He doesn't rant about Asus because he didn't get a sponsorship, he rants about them because they screwed customers over and failed to stand up for their mistakes in present and past. I think that's a huge difference.
    - bastardoperator 3y ago
      It is for him. You don't get to complain about a product when you're not actually buying the product or when you are in fact getting paid by a product manufacturer to showcase their products under the guise of a "review". He does rant about not having a sponsorship agreement with Asus. He clearly says all of his other sponsorship agreements finalized in Jan 2023, but that Asus hasn't. He has no clue if customers have been screwed over because he's never been a customer, and if he is, let's say he used his own money to buy the Hero board he mentions in the video, why did he go Asus like 5 weeks ago for his own stuff if he thought they were bad products, or a bad company? This sums up the entire ordeal perfectly, maybe it's backpedaling, but this doesn't seem like customers are getting screwed over. https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/13g3yep/comment/jjyqoaq/ https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/13g3yep/comment/j...
xbar 3y ago
This is a good and healthy attitude to have and I do not want to diminish it. This is how I view all channels, generally. In this case, at this time, Gamers Nexus is pretty well respected as an entity that re-invests its success in increasing technical validation capability, and has been cut off more than once by vendors, leading to having to purchase its own hardware. They currently have my respect and trust on this motherboard topic. Jayz2Cents? His content is just not the same, but he does have a genuinely consumer-focused attitude, though.