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For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is curren

For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Should we really just roll over and give them unfettered access to our markets while they are incredibly hostile to our companies and where we only get access by giving away ip?

bigcat12345678 3y ago
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mistermann 3y ago
> We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Which country has a larger body count in the last few decades?
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sneak 3y ago
The US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane camps that frequently result in death at a rate 17x that of China, per capita. The countries are way more alike than you think. Calling for more state censorship in the US brings them even more into alignment.
- bequanna 3y ago
  Do you actually believe this? It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light. Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.
  - ok123456 3y ago
    US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
    - bequanna 3y ago
      The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it. China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group. Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
      - ok123456 3y ago
        China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
        bequanna 3y ago
        How many people are at Guantanamo? The answer is about 30 people vs. about a million innocent Uyghurs in Chinese internment camps. All of the things I mention are easily verifiable by credible sources while you are (for some reason) parroting CCP taking points. Hmm…
        ok123456 3y ago
        All of these "verifiable" claims all originate with one man and have no evidence.
        bequanna 3y ago
        Please stop spreading Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda. Evidence of the Uyghur camps is ubiquitous: https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappeared-uyghurs-what-satellite-images-reveal.html https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c... https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details-firsthand-accounts-of-torture-from-uyghur-muslims-in-china https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details...
- tyjen 3y ago
  I decided to see if your "death rate" claim was accurate; but, found conflicting evidence that the mortality rates in US prisons are generally lower than the general US population, "The mortality rate of state prisoners in 2018 (319 per 100,000) was lower than the mortality rate for the entire adult U.S. population (1,110/100,000) even when adjusted for age, race or ethnicity, and sex (419/100,000) [0]." Also, mortality rates for federal prisons are lower than state prisons [1]. Could you point me to a reliable data source for Chinese prisoner mortality rates? A ~19/100,000 mortality rate would be an amazing achievement. [0]: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2021/aug/1/us-department-justice-publishes-statistics-prisoners-deaths/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2021/aug/1/us-departmen... [1]:https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/msfp0119st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/msfp0119st.pdf
anaganisk 3y ago
So US being supportive of Israel is not being an accomplice in genocide?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  No. We agree on their right to exist. We don’t support their apartheid. It’s a policy failure to treat countries as monoliths.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    Sending billions of dollars per year sure sounds like direct support for their actions.
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bigcat12345678 3y ago

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mistermann 3y ago

> We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Which country has a larger body count in the last few decades?

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sneak 3y ago

The US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane camps that frequently result in death at a rate 17x that of China, per capita. The countries are way more alike than you think. Calling for more state censorship in the US brings them even more into alignment.

bequanna 3y ago
Do you actually believe this? It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light. Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.
- ok123456 3y ago
  US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
  - bequanna 3y ago
    The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it. China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group. Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
    - ok123456 3y ago
      China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
      - bequanna 3y ago
        How many people are at Guantanamo? The answer is about 30 people vs. about a million innocent Uyghurs in Chinese internment camps. All of the things I mention are easily verifiable by credible sources while you are (for some reason) parroting CCP taking points. Hmm…
        ok123456 3y ago
        All of these "verifiable" claims all originate with one man and have no evidence.
        bequanna 3y ago
        Please stop spreading Chinese Communist Party lies and propaganda. Evidence of the Uyghur camps is ubiquitous: https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappeared-uyghurs-what-satellite-images-reveal.html https://www.rand.org/blog/rand-review/2021/04/chinas-disappe... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c... https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details-firsthand-accounts-of-torture-from-uyghur-muslims-in-china https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details...
tyjen 3y ago
I decided to see if your "death rate" claim was accurate; but, found conflicting evidence that the mortality rates in US prisons are generally lower than the general US population, "The mortality rate of state prisoners in 2018 (319 per 100,000) was lower than the mortality rate for the entire adult U.S. population (1,110/100,000) even when adjusted for age, race or ethnicity, and sex (419/100,000) [0]." Also, mortality rates for federal prisons are lower than state prisons [1]. Could you point me to a reliable data source for Chinese prisoner mortality rates? A ~19/100,000 mortality rate would be an amazing achievement. [0]: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2021/aug/1/us-department-justice-publishes-statistics-prisoners-deaths/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2021/aug/1/us-departmen... [1]:https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/msfp0119st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/msfp0119st.pdf

anaganisk 3y ago

So US being supportive of Israel is not being an accomplice in genocide?

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
No. We agree on their right to exist. We don’t support their apartheid. It’s a policy failure to treat countries as monoliths.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Sending billions of dollars per year sure sounds like direct support for their actions.

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