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So, basically just the China version of the US Cloud Act?

anaganisk 3y ago
But it's the US, it's the bastion of democracy. Govt here doesn't put backdoors, doesn't sponsor crypto companies, doesn't target individuals and ship them to overseas camps to avoid torture laws. Wage fake wars. Doesn't use it's intelligence agencies to interfere with other countries. Oh!
- bostonsre 3y ago
  For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Should we really just roll over and give them unfettered access to our markets while they are incredibly hostile to our companies and where we only get access by giving away ip?
  - bigcat12345678 3y ago
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  - mistermann 3y ago
    > We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Which country has a larger body count in the last few decades?
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  - sneak 3y ago
    The US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane camps that frequently result in death at a rate 17x that of China, per capita. The countries are way more alike than you think. Calling for more state censorship in the US brings them even more into alignment.
    - bequanna 3y ago
      Do you actually believe this? It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light. Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.
      - ok123456 3y ago
        US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
        bequanna 3y ago
        The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it. China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group. Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
        ok123456 3y ago
        China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
        bequanna 3y ago
        How many people are at Guantanamo? The answer is about 30 people vs. about a million innocent Uyghurs in Chinese internment camps. All of the things I mention are easily verifiable by credible sources while you are (for some reason) parroting CCP taking points. Hmm…
        3y ago
  - anaganisk 3y ago
    So US being supportive of Israel is not being an accomplice in genocide?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      No. We agree on their right to exist. We don’t support their apartheid. It’s a policy failure to treat countries as monoliths.
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        Sending billions of dollars per year sure sounds like direct support for their actions.
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But it's the US, it's the bastion of democracy. Govt here doesn't put backdoors, doesn't sponsor crypto companies, doesn't target individuals and ship them to overseas camps to avoid torture laws. Wage fake wars. Doesn't use it's intelligence agencies to interfere with other countries. Oh!

bostonsre 3y ago
For all our faults, we're not the ccp. Bashing America doesn't undo the horrors committed by the ccp. We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Should we really just roll over and give them unfettered access to our markets while they are incredibly hostile to our companies and where we only get access by giving away ip?
- bigcat12345678 3y ago
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- mistermann 3y ago
  > We're talking about an authoritarian regime that is currently committing genocide. Which country has a larger body count in the last few decades?
- deleted 3y ago
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- sneak 3y ago
  The US imprisons its ethnic minorities in inhumane camps that frequently result in death at a rate 17x that of China, per capita. The countries are way more alike than you think. Calling for more state censorship in the US brings them even more into alignment.
  - bequanna 3y ago
    Do you actually believe this? It sounds like you are consuming far too much anti-American and pro-Chinese propaganda. The Chinese succeeding in their geopolitical goals is the suppression of the individual at scale. Extinguishing of the light. Collectivism looks good on paper but ultimately is high minded and has fatal flaws which resulted in horrible outcomes whenever tried. 100 million+ dead in the 20th century.
    - ok123456 3y ago
      US incarceration and conviction rates based on race are commonly tabulated.
      - bequanna 3y ago
        The US generally imprisons only those people who commit serious crimes. There are likely some biases that result in imperfect application of the law. We’re working on it. China imprisons and enslaves people simply for being members of the “wrong” ethnic group. Please explain how these are even close to the same thing.
        ok123456 3y ago
        China doesn't "enslave" people for being from the wrong ethnic group. These claims are a fiction of Adrian Zenz. The US actually "enslaves" people from the wrong ethnic group at Guantanamo.
        bequanna 3y ago
        How many people are at Guantanamo? The answer is about 30 people vs. about a million innocent Uyghurs in Chinese internment camps. All of the things I mention are easily verifiable by credible sources while you are (for some reason) parroting CCP taking points. Hmm…
        3y ago
- anaganisk 3y ago
  So US being supportive of Israel is not being an accomplice in genocide?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    No. We agree on their right to exist. We don’t support their apartheid. It’s a policy failure to treat countries as monoliths.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      Sending billions of dollars per year sure sounds like direct support for their actions.
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