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"One thing that makes me skeptical about the EU long term is the way they seem to view regulation not as an unfortunate necessity, but as an exciting project."

"One thing that makes me skeptical about the EU long term is the way they seem to view regulation not as an unfortunate necessity, but as an exciting project." https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1050787382390329345 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1050787382390329345

nickpp 3y ago
The fact that they don’t seem to learn from the disastrous results of current regulation is even scarier.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago
  Plus, the fact that they create laws open to interpretation shows these people have no idea.
  - orra 3y ago
    This is absolute hyperbole. Does the U.S. not have a Supreme Court, and indeed other courts, for interpreting legislation?
    - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
      US is not EU. Both US and UK use a different legal system than Europe. From the EU itself: https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_service/seminars/20140703_gombos_speech_en.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_service/seminars/20140703_gom... > The main principles of EU law are equality before the law; legal certainty; predictable, clear and comprehensible legal provisions; and transparent legislation. 2 These principles can be upheld only if EU law has the same meaning in all language versions. “Open to interpretation” has nothing to do with the quote above. It doesn’t matter what the US has and what it does not. We’re not discussing the US here.
      - orra 3y ago
        > It doesn’t matter what US has and what it does not. We’re not discussing US here. When you claim the EU “has no idea” apropos nothing—simply for having a mechanism for interpreting statues in court—it is entirely reasonable to question your double standard. All major legal jurisdictions have courts to resolve things...
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        rad_gruchalski 3y ago
        “Apropos nothing” added by yourself. Look - it doesn’t matter how the law is interpreted in the US because we’re not discussing the US here and the US is totally irrelevant to this discussion. This AI act, together with the CRA, are written by the people who, vast majority of them, never worked with software. Yet, they intend to regulate software. This will go wrong.
snacktaster 3y ago
It would be one thing if the heavy-handed, often premature, EU regulations were in some way intended to foster production of its own technology companies to compete at large scale in its own market. But we all know that doesn't happen. Any European with an entrepreneurial spirit is all but forced to go start their company in USA. It seems like anything that appears potentially useful but has undefined or unanswered legal questions is just banned before anyone can figure out what the actual problems are. Sigh.

nickpp 3y ago

The fact that they don’t seem to learn from the disastrous results of current regulation is even scarier.

rad_gruchalski 3y ago
Plus, the fact that they create laws open to interpretation shows these people have no idea.
- orra 3y ago
  This is absolute hyperbole. Does the U.S. not have a Supreme Court, and indeed other courts, for interpreting legislation?
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    US is not EU. Both US and UK use a different legal system than Europe. From the EU itself: https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_service/seminars/20140703_gombos_speech_en.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/dgs/legal_service/seminars/20140703_gom... > The main principles of EU law are equality before the law; legal certainty; predictable, clear and comprehensible legal provisions; and transparent legislation. 2 These principles can be upheld only if EU law has the same meaning in all language versions. “Open to interpretation” has nothing to do with the quote above. It doesn’t matter what the US has and what it does not. We’re not discussing the US here.
    - orra 3y ago
      > It doesn’t matter what US has and what it does not. We’re not discussing US here. When you claim the EU “has no idea” apropos nothing—simply for having a mechanism for interpreting statues in court—it is entirely reasonable to question your double standard. All major legal jurisdictions have courts to resolve things...
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      - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
        “Apropos nothing” added by yourself. Look - it doesn’t matter how the law is interpreted in the US because we’re not discussing the US here and the US is totally irrelevant to this discussion. This AI act, together with the CRA, are written by the people who, vast majority of them, never worked with software. Yet, they intend to regulate software. This will go wrong.

snacktaster 3y ago

It would be one thing if the heavy-handed, often premature, EU regulations were in some way intended to foster production of its own technology companies to compete at large scale in its own market. But we all know that doesn't happen. Any European with an entrepreneurial spirit is all but forced to go start their company in USA. It seems like anything that appears potentially useful but has undefined or unanswered legal questions is just banned before anyone can figure out what the actual problems are. Sigh.