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Intellectual property is not real property.
by thallium205 3y ago
Intellectual property is not real property.
- gumballindie 3y agoNothing is real property. We arent real either. It all depends on how strong the dose is.
- thallium205 3y agoIf I take something that deprives you of it that is theft because it’s real.
- gumballindie 3y agoThe theft is real and it deprives me of the very real revenue or benefit i asked for in exchange.
- thallium205 3y agoYou are not entitled to any revenue just from some creative work. That’s a completely fake claim. You are entitled only to what you created.
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- CamperBob2 3y agoCertain people disagree with you. They have more guns than you do, so their opinion is the only one that matters.
- gumballindie 3y agoIt would appear that those guns are now turned against us so they can take our data and work and use it for free. Microsoft and openai are not training their models against their own products. Those are copyrighted. But what we are told is that _our_ work is not copyrighted and they can just use it and sell it and profit from it. In return we will be “freed” of the burdens of our jobs and ip. In effect this is reverse piracy.
- utucuro 3y agoAs I recall, the term for a pirate, operating legally and targeting government sanctioned targets was privateer. So maybe the term we need is privateering?
- sycamoretrees 3y agoSo, if you write a really good (free, since you don’t believe in intellectual property) book and I merely translate it into German, you don’t mind me selling it on Amazon and making money off of it? Ethically this is OK right? Since it’s not physical. I don’t mean to come off as rude, I just find these “intellectual property doesn’t exist” takes ultimately very shallow and dismissive.
- thallium205 3y agoYou made a copy. No theft occurred. I still have mine. I never will understand why this is so hard for people to grasp. I’m not entitled to anything else. https://youtu.be/IeTybKL1pM4 https://youtu.be/IeTybKL1pM4
- sycamoretrees 3y agoNo, I get it, I’ve heard that argument and I see the logic behind it. It’s a “victimless” crime. There are two issues I can think of that I would lead one to different conclusions. The first is that of consent - do I consent to my hard work being used without any reference to me and my effort? Would I have made the effort in the first place if there was no recognition? The second is the following example: I quit my job to write an encyclopedia, something which is sure to benefit humanity. I toil day and night in order to one day sell it and get bread on the table. I finally publish it, but the next day another publisher copies it and sells it for cheaper (which they can afford, because they’re not paying me!), gobbling up my publisher’s market share and hence making me penniless, since the publisher has no money to pay me. Do I not deserve justice, considering the encyclopedia has sold a million copies and I am struggling to make a living? The point is that the world is much too complex to draw a straight line between physical and intellectual property. A lot of us - and the vast majority on HN, I can imagine - work “intellectual” jobs in order to afford “physical” food.
- zirgs 3y agoThat's how open source software works. You are allowed to sell it.