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> Policing tools which aim to predetermine where crimes will happen and by whom, are expected to be banned. They watched Minority Report and thought "that shou

by lucumo 3y ago

> Policing tools which aim to predetermine where crimes will happen and by whom, are expected to be banned. They watched Minority Report and thought "that should get some attention." Ridiculous.

giuliomagnifico 3y ago
This is not so ridiculous, these technologies are already in use: “Dubai Police using AI to predict crime” (https://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/dubai-police-using-ai-to-predict-crime-serious-crime-rate-down-25 https://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/dubai-police...)
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  I’ve considered this as the totalitarian end result of AI. That someone of x age, y status, flies in to Dubai, goes to z set of bars after checking in to a hotel, after b time if they haven’t gone to a restaurant, is c times likely to be found at d set of brothels, with e substances. It’s all patterns, and it doesn’t matter if you participate or not, everyone else is.
- lucumo 3y ago
  It's clearly meant to invoke thoughts of Minority Report. There's not a court in the EU that will convict someone on a prediction that they will commit a crime. Made by computer model or otherwise. So it's stupid as hell to ban it. It's already banned. And if the models are only used to know where to police, then my response is that that we've been using that for centuries now. It's called statistics, and can be as simple as bloody counting how many people lose their wallet in a busy street. Get some cops there, arrest the pick-pockets. That's a good thing, and it doesn't become "evil" just because somebody calls it "AI". But this is just politicians piggy-backing on some popular fear-mongering about some new tech. It's unlikely to go anywhere. It may be rolled out again in a few months or years when these politicians need some attention again.
  - nbaxc 3y ago
    It is not about conviction. It is about harassment and defamation, for example in the following forms: - Police stalking (legal in the Netherlands, practiced but denied in many other countries). - Police asking neighbors questions, thereby ruining your reputation. - Database sharing with e.g. the U.S., leading to further scrutiny (or denial of entry) abroad. - Not getting a government job.
saiojd 3y ago
I feel like you are being unfairly dismissive. Just imagine the stress of being targeted by the police because you match some criminals statistically.
euroderf 3y ago
It's bad enough getting profiled by the likes of Equifax or some landlord app or bank redlining. It "might" be worse getting profiled as "crime-prone". By any organisation with power over your life, public or private.

by lucumo 3y ago

> Policing tools which aim to predetermine where crimes will happen and by whom, are expected to be banned. They watched Minority Report and thought "that should get some attention." Ridiculous.

giuliomagnifico 3y ago

This is not so ridiculous, these technologies are already in use: “Dubai Police using AI to predict crime” (https://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/dubai-police-using-ai-to-predict-crime-serious-crime-rate-down-25 https://www.arabianbusiness.com/culture-society/dubai-police...)

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
I’ve considered this as the totalitarian end result of AI. That someone of x age, y status, flies in to Dubai, goes to z set of bars after checking in to a hotel, after b time if they haven’t gone to a restaurant, is c times likely to be found at d set of brothels, with e substances. It’s all patterns, and it doesn’t matter if you participate or not, everyone else is.
lucumo 3y ago
It's clearly meant to invoke thoughts of Minority Report. There's not a court in the EU that will convict someone on a prediction that they will commit a crime. Made by computer model or otherwise. So it's stupid as hell to ban it. It's already banned. And if the models are only used to know where to police, then my response is that that we've been using that for centuries now. It's called statistics, and can be as simple as bloody counting how many people lose their wallet in a busy street. Get some cops there, arrest the pick-pockets. That's a good thing, and it doesn't become "evil" just because somebody calls it "AI". But this is just politicians piggy-backing on some popular fear-mongering about some new tech. It's unlikely to go anywhere. It may be rolled out again in a few months or years when these politicians need some attention again.
- nbaxc 3y ago
  It is not about conviction. It is about harassment and defamation, for example in the following forms: - Police stalking (legal in the Netherlands, practiced but denied in many other countries). - Police asking neighbors questions, thereby ruining your reputation. - Database sharing with e.g. the U.S., leading to further scrutiny (or denial of entry) abroad. - Not getting a government job.

saiojd 3y ago

I feel like you are being unfairly dismissive. Just imagine the stress of being targeted by the police because you match some criminals statistically.

euroderf 3y ago

It's bad enough getting profiled by the likes of Equifax or some landlord app or bank redlining. It "might" be worse getting profiled as "crime-prone". By any organisation with power over your life, public or private.