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> Sure, just the fact that billions of hours of pointless, tiresome human activity will be freed to do whatever is enough of an incentive. Just like when we “a

> Sure, just the fact that billions of hours of pointless, tiresome human activity will be freed to do whatever is enough of an incentive. Just like when we “automated the boring things”? Instead one of the primary goals seems to be to prevent people in fields one doesn’t understand from making a living. I have my doubts about people ever being “freed”. And what is free, really? There is a reason monks sitting on mounds of treasure pit themselves through paces of physical and supposedly menial work. Its not because they choose some kind of holy suffering. It’s the same reason creating a work of art means going through the paces of practice and growth. Otherwise it’s kind of empty, and you don’t learn anything. Our chores aren’t the things imprisoning people.

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
Yes, it's very meditative to do the dishes once a month. The problem is how do you alleviate the pain of the single parent with 2 human children today. And my point is, if I could put together 2 Python packages to make a robotic arm able to listen to that parent's commands and do the dishes, clean after the kids, and so on, I would do it as fast as you can type "zen", even if the Python packages in cause would "feel" a bit uneasy cleaning after those 2 kids.
- YawningAngel 3y ago
  Would you? It seems like you're leaning heavily on the idea that the python packages don't have the same moral weight as the single parent, which is an odd thing to believe if the python packages can actually have experiences. The reason why we don't worry about python packages is exactly that we _don't_ think that, surely
  - ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
    Just an example of course, but we can imagine some `from consciousness import *` line in some undefined future.
- 52-6F-62 3y ago
  We’ve heard many times about “automating the boring things” before. It never happens. It misses the point, and the problem. Or if it’s ever on offer, the price is usually way higher than it’s worth in the long run. In your analogy, the stressor isn’t the dishes or the children. They’re not problems to be solved. They’re inevitable. Like the sun setting. The issue there is some prescription that you should be doing anything else under the circumstances of dirty dishes and your children needing attention.

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago

Yes, it's very meditative to do the dishes once a month. The problem is how do you alleviate the pain of the single parent with 2 human children today. And my point is, if I could put together 2 Python packages to make a robotic arm able to listen to that parent's commands and do the dishes, clean after the kids, and so on, I would do it as fast as you can type "zen", even if the Python packages in cause would "feel" a bit uneasy cleaning after those 2 kids.

YawningAngel 3y ago
Would you? It seems like you're leaning heavily on the idea that the python packages don't have the same moral weight as the single parent, which is an odd thing to believe if the python packages can actually have experiences. The reason why we don't worry about python packages is exactly that we _don't_ think that, surely
- ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
  Just an example of course, but we can imagine some `from consciousness import *` line in some undefined future.
52-6F-62 3y ago
We’ve heard many times about “automating the boring things” before. It never happens. It misses the point, and the problem. Or if it’s ever on offer, the price is usually way higher than it’s worth in the long run. In your analogy, the stressor isn’t the dishes or the children. They’re not problems to be solved. They’re inevitable. Like the sun setting. The issue there is some prescription that you should be doing anything else under the circumstances of dirty dishes and your children needing attention.