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"We are provably the only living being on Earth that do care about it." Very much not true: [1] [2] and plenty more in a quick search. https://animalclock.org

"We are provably the only living being on Earth that do care about it." Very much not true: [1] [2] and plenty more in a quick search. https://animalclock.org https://animalclock.org The point is not that in nature there are also killings, it's that we are doing it. [1] "Cat Saves Little Boy From Being Attacked by Neighbor's Dog" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSG_wBiTEE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSG_wBiTEE8 [2] "Cat Saves Toddler From Falling Down Stairs", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcpEnpitzHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcpEnpitzHw

peoplefromibiza 3y ago
> The point is not that in nature there are also killings, it's that we are doing it. so there is no actual point ... we are part of the nature, we are not from another planet, we haven't landed here on a spaceship and colonized the World. > Very much not true: [1] [2] and plenty more in a quick search. Are you really comparing YouTube videos that attach some human traits to a cat, with thousands of years of philosophy and thousands of years of laws and regulations to avoid unnecessary violence? "The most common reason for a male domestic cat to kill kittens is to kill off a competitor's offspring and have the opportunity to mate with the female." What happens to those cats? do they go to jail? do other cats condemn what he did? More importantly, we understand they are cats and we don't punish them for being cats, we don't kill them for what they do as cats, we don't jail them, we don't stop having them in our houses, just because they are horribly murderous creatures with no regrets. But what would happen to a person doing the same thing?
- ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
  You mentioned "only living being", it's actually a gradient, some animals, like cats in those videos, various breeds of dogs that are child-friendly, cows, horses, and probably more domesticated animals, can develop various feelings (maybe codependency, who knows) for their owners and have desire to protect them when in peril. Yes, me living 100 feet above ground and speaking to you from 10,000 miles through a signal that goes to outer space is very naturey, happens all the time in the tundra. You seem to have some thesis. Is it just that you feel you are smarter than me? If yes, great, do not continue this thread.
  - peoplefromibiza 3y ago
    Not as a species. Nobody ever said: let's ask what the cat think about it It doesn't matter if a cat thinks he's a duck and raise some ducklings, it's a cat, it will kill many other animals for fun, they don't have anything like we have as a species. Anyway, dogs exists only because we humans created the he way they are We selected them to be agreeable and loyal and human loving they did not exist before we literally invented them > Is it just that you feel you are smarter than me? that could only be true if you think you're dumber than me, because I never said anything that can remotely resemble a comparison of our personal intelligences. Which doesn't even matter much, I could be the dumbest and kindest person in the World.

peoplefromibiza 3y ago

> The point is not that in nature there are also killings, it's that we are doing it. so there is no actual point ... we are part of the nature, we are not from another planet, we haven't landed here on a spaceship and colonized the World. > Very much not true: [1] [2] and plenty more in a quick search. Are you really comparing YouTube videos that attach some human traits to a cat, with thousands of years of philosophy and thousands of years of laws and regulations to avoid unnecessary violence? "The most common reason for a male domestic cat to kill kittens is to kill off a competitor's offspring and have the opportunity to mate with the female." What happens to those cats? do they go to jail? do other cats condemn what he did? More importantly, we understand they are cats and we don't punish them for being cats, we don't kill them for what they do as cats, we don't jail them, we don't stop having them in our houses, just because they are horribly murderous creatures with no regrets. But what would happen to a person doing the same thing?

ly3xqhl8g9 3y ago
You mentioned "only living being", it's actually a gradient, some animals, like cats in those videos, various breeds of dogs that are child-friendly, cows, horses, and probably more domesticated animals, can develop various feelings (maybe codependency, who knows) for their owners and have desire to protect them when in peril. Yes, me living 100 feet above ground and speaking to you from 10,000 miles through a signal that goes to outer space is very naturey, happens all the time in the tundra. You seem to have some thesis. Is it just that you feel you are smarter than me? If yes, great, do not continue this thread.
- peoplefromibiza 3y ago
  Not as a species. Nobody ever said: let's ask what the cat think about it It doesn't matter if a cat thinks he's a duck and raise some ducklings, it's a cat, it will kill many other animals for fun, they don't have anything like we have as a species. Anyway, dogs exists only because we humans created the he way they are We selected them to be agreeable and loyal and human loving they did not exist before we literally invented them > Is it just that you feel you are smarter than me? that could only be true if you think you're dumber than me, because I never said anything that can remotely resemble a comparison of our personal intelligences. Which doesn't even matter much, I could be the dumbest and kindest person in the World.