That site is full of vitriol and hyperbole: "I know this is difficult, especially for retards, so you may want to consult your local Professor of Urban Studies

That site is full of vitriol and hyperbole: "I know this is difficult, especially for retards, so you may want to consult your local Professor of Urban Studies before proceeding." And he blasts carfree's "green space", but then lists a whole bunch of things which the green space could be (yards, parks, sports fields). I can't help but feel that he's deliberately missing the point. There's also a fairly detailed discussion on carfree.com as far as "how to get there from here": http://carfree.com/conv_lyon.html http://carfree.com/conv_lyon.html so it's hardly billed as a 'build it from scratch' ethos either.