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Just was wondering if today anyone is still using them, so I guess that does not need to be asked. All right, oh my captain, keep the indents and spacing tight

by hakre 3y ago

Just was wondering if today anyone is still using them, so I guess that does not need to be asked. All right, oh my captain, keep the indents and spacing tight on the monospace and sail along! Btw., anyone still using monospaced fonts in their editors?

lionkor 3y ago
i program in wingdings
teo_zero 3y ago
> anyone still using monospaced fonts in their editors? The question is aren't you?
- vonseel 3y ago
  Doesn't everyone? I can't stand not using monospaced fonts when coding
- hakre 3y ago
  Just checking ... my current IDE ... not for all parts of the source-code any longer. I'm not so sure if I want that, maybe I get dumb by it?!
- xupybd 3y ago
  I tried coding in a variable font. It was horrible. I couldn't read the code. I was shocked at how much my brain made use of the spacing to parse code.
  - lucumo 3y ago
    Yes, same. It's weird in a way, because there isn't all that much alignment going on in my code[1]. There's indentation, but that still works with a proportional font. And yet, it still looks wrong and hard to read. I can't really figure out why. [1] I know some people align assignments in multiple lines, or comments at the end of the line, or similar things. I've been working under code style directives that prohibited those because lines changed more often because of whitespace than because of content. Since my work requires me not to do that, I don't have the habit at home either.
  - marssaxman 3y ago
    Code really is not prose! We use so many skinny punctuation marks that have big structural significance, and variable-width fonts de-emphasize them. I want my commas and brackets made clear and obvious, please. I did actually spend a year or two coding in a variable-width font, back in the '90s, but I switched back after the novelty wore off.
Zecc 3y ago
I don't use ASCII-art often in source code, but when I do (or when I'm reading code from someone who has), I prefer if the characters align correctly.
- hakre 3y ago
  And then pixel-perfect bitmap fonts.
loup-vaillant 3y ago
> Btw., anyone still using monospaced fonts in their editors? Tell me you've never programmed without telling me you've never programmed… Almost all code editors and IDEs in current use are set with a monospaced font by default, and the overwhelming majority of programmers keep it that way.
- hakre 3y ago
  Which brings us back to the point of ligatures which are combining so make a single of what is a double or triple and hence no monospace any longer. No judgement if that is good or bad or at all. Just a reminder that it ain't monospace any longer. > Your code is still monospaced in all the ways that matter. Just it ain't monospace any longer. (reminder)
  - dylanowen 3y ago
    Ligatures don't change the spacing. Those 2 monospaced characters still take up 2 spaces but are rendered as 1 glyph. Your code is still monospaced in all the ways that matter.
  - MadcapJake 3y ago
    All coding fonts that do this ensure that the ligatures still fit the same width as the characters that are being combined.
    - Izkata 3y ago
      Nope, the one a co-worker uses combines >= into the space of 1 character.
  - xupybd 3y ago
    Can't it still be mono space if the ligatures take up the same space as their components?
    - hakre 3y ago
      I think that is a stylistic decision to make it appear as if, but again, this ain't monospace any longer. In monospace one letter/symbol (printable character) has constant width. The ligature is one letter/symbol. so while the stylistic decision retains the monospace style of the replaced symbols, the ligature itself is double (or triple) sized compared with other symbols. IIRC this is commonly called "monospaced ligatures" ref https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode/issues/712 https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode/issues/712
George83728 3y ago
The only people I've ever seen or heard of using proportional fonts for programming were utterly clueless freshmen newbs who mistook MS Word for a text editor...
- tnzk 3y ago
  Flash also come with a proportional font by default in the ActionScript editor if I remember correctly. I believe Adobe has changed its mind for other products with scripting support.
- f1shy 3y ago
  Caution: Stroustrup uses proportional fonts for snippets in the book
- aendruk 3y ago
  I use proportional Iosevka for most text editing, and just make exceptions per-language, e.g. for popular Ruby coding styles or Markdown tables.

by hakre 3y ago

lionkor 3y ago

i program in wingdings

teo_zero 3y ago

> anyone still using monospaced fonts in their editors? The question is aren't you?

vonseel 3y ago
Doesn't everyone? I can't stand not using monospaced fonts when coding
hakre 3y ago
Just checking ... my current IDE ... not for all parts of the source-code any longer. I'm not so sure if I want that, maybe I get dumb by it?!
xupybd 3y ago
I tried coding in a variable font. It was horrible. I couldn't read the code. I was shocked at how much my brain made use of the spacing to parse code.
- lucumo 3y ago
  Yes, same. It's weird in a way, because there isn't all that much alignment going on in my code[1]. There's indentation, but that still works with a proportional font. And yet, it still looks wrong and hard to read. I can't really figure out why. [1] I know some people align assignments in multiple lines, or comments at the end of the line, or similar things. I've been working under code style directives that prohibited those because lines changed more often because of whitespace than because of content. Since my work requires me not to do that, I don't have the habit at home either.
- marssaxman 3y ago
  Code really is not prose! We use so many skinny punctuation marks that have big structural significance, and variable-width fonts de-emphasize them. I want my commas and brackets made clear and obvious, please. I did actually spend a year or two coding in a variable-width font, back in the '90s, but I switched back after the novelty wore off.

Zecc 3y ago

I don't use ASCII-art often in source code, but when I do (or when I'm reading code from someone who has), I prefer if the characters align correctly.

hakre 3y ago
And then pixel-perfect bitmap fonts.

loup-vaillant 3y ago

> Btw., anyone still using monospaced fonts in their editors? Tell me you've never programmed without telling me you've never programmed… Almost all code editors and IDEs in current use are set with a monospaced font by default, and the overwhelming majority of programmers keep it that way.

hakre 3y ago
Which brings us back to the point of ligatures which are combining so make a single of what is a double or triple and hence no monospace any longer. No judgement if that is good or bad or at all. Just a reminder that it ain't monospace any longer. > Your code is still monospaced in all the ways that matter. Just it ain't monospace any longer. (reminder)
- dylanowen 3y ago
  Ligatures don't change the spacing. Those 2 monospaced characters still take up 2 spaces but are rendered as 1 glyph. Your code is still monospaced in all the ways that matter.
- MadcapJake 3y ago
  All coding fonts that do this ensure that the ligatures still fit the same width as the characters that are being combined.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    Nope, the one a co-worker uses combines >= into the space of 1 character.
- xupybd 3y ago
  Can't it still be mono space if the ligatures take up the same space as their components?
  - hakre 3y ago
    I think that is a stylistic decision to make it appear as if, but again, this ain't monospace any longer. In monospace one letter/symbol (printable character) has constant width. The ligature is one letter/symbol. so while the stylistic decision retains the monospace style of the replaced symbols, the ligature itself is double (or triple) sized compared with other symbols. IIRC this is commonly called "monospaced ligatures" ref https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode/issues/712 https://github.com/tonsky/FiraCode/issues/712

George83728 3y ago

The only people I've ever seen or heard of using proportional fonts for programming were utterly clueless freshmen newbs who mistook MS Word for a text editor...

tnzk 3y ago
Flash also come with a proportional font by default in the ActionScript editor if I remember correctly. I believe Adobe has changed its mind for other products with scripting support.
f1shy 3y ago
Caution: Stroustrup uses proportional fonts for snippets in the book
aendruk 3y ago
I use proportional Iosevka for most text editing, and just make exceptions per-language, e.g. for popular Ruby coding styles or Markdown tables.