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I wonder if at some point the EU should block the usage of dirty steel and only authorize carbon neutral steel. This would provide a great incentive for other c

by ognarb 3y ago

I wonder if at some point the EU should block the usage of dirty steel and only authorize carbon neutral steel. This would provide a great incentive for other countries to also invest in clean alternative.

penneallagricia 3y ago
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quasarsunnix 3y ago
I think that's a great idea and could be applied to a lot of industries with large offshore carbon footprints. Maybe tariffs or quota limits that are linked to carbon?
zokier 3y ago
> The Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism will apply to imports across several sectors, including steel and aluminum, forcing them to respect EU environmental standards. It will come into effect in 2026 or 2027. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2022/12/13/eu-adopts-carbon-border-tax-to-fight-polluting-imports_6007589_114.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2022/12/13/eu-...
- Gravityloss 3y ago
  yes, this is bigger news than people realize!
- euroderf 3y ago
  The EU should have had something like this to apply to imports from the USA a long time ago. But, better late than never. Play nice with Biden.
penneallagricia 3y ago
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- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  What makes you believe the free market would lead to decreased usage in dirty steel?
  - penneallagricia 3y ago
    I don't know specifically, I was told that the free market is able to solve any problem when left alone. Whenever there is a discussion about the lack of affordable housing I am told that what we need is less regulations so that the free market can take care of it. I wonder why it shouldn't be the same for environmental issues since the free market is so powerful.
    - CogitoCogito 3y ago
      > I don't know specifically, I was told that the free market is able to solve any problem when left alone. And many people are told God will solve any problem when left alone. I guess the lesson is don't believe everything you're told.
      - penneallagricia 3y ago
        If you didnt get it I am playing the idiot. It's the only way I can criticize the holy free market without being insta-flagged. If I openly joke on it I'm flagged for causing a flamewar. If I argue against it in honesty I get downvoted to hell. The only way left to speak about the free market as someone who doesn't believe in it is to play the idiot, so that I can prove the absurdity of the argument.
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      On a long enough time scale though it actually does. Societies which fail to be sustainable “go out of business”. Eventually, societies which achieve sustainability will “remain in business”. We are hoping to shortcut this market process, for obvious reasons.

by ognarb 3y ago

penneallagricia 3y ago

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quasarsunnix 3y ago

I think that's a great idea and could be applied to a lot of industries with large offshore carbon footprints. Maybe tariffs or quota limits that are linked to carbon?

zokier 3y ago

> The Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism will apply to imports across several sectors, including steel and aluminum, forcing them to respect EU environmental standards. It will come into effect in 2026 or 2027. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2022/12/13/eu-adopts-carbon-border-tax-to-fight-polluting-imports_6007589_114.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/environment/article/2022/12/13/eu-...

Gravityloss 3y ago
yes, this is bigger news than people realize!
euroderf 3y ago
The EU should have had something like this to apply to imports from the USA a long time ago. But, better late than never. Play nice with Biden.

penneallagricia 3y ago

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CogitoCogito 3y ago
What makes you believe the free market would lead to decreased usage in dirty steel?
- penneallagricia 3y ago
  I don't know specifically, I was told that the free market is able to solve any problem when left alone. Whenever there is a discussion about the lack of affordable housing I am told that what we need is less regulations so that the free market can take care of it. I wonder why it shouldn't be the same for environmental issues since the free market is so powerful.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    > I don't know specifically, I was told that the free market is able to solve any problem when left alone. And many people are told God will solve any problem when left alone. I guess the lesson is don't believe everything you're told.
    - penneallagricia 3y ago
      If you didnt get it I am playing the idiot. It's the only way I can criticize the holy free market without being insta-flagged. If I openly joke on it I'm flagged for causing a flamewar. If I argue against it in honesty I get downvoted to hell. The only way left to speak about the free market as someone who doesn't believe in it is to play the idiot, so that I can prove the absurdity of the argument.
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
    On a long enough time scale though it actually does. Societies which fail to be sustainable “go out of business”. Eventually, societies which achieve sustainability will “remain in business”. We are hoping to shortcut this market process, for obvious reasons.