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How does these EULA’s work if you buy a used car? I suppose manufacturer doesn’t really know if the car has been sold and the new owners haven’t accepted the te
by dybber 3y ago
How does these EULA’s work if you buy a used car? I suppose manufacturer doesn’t really know if the car has been sold and the new owners haven’t accepted the terms?
- sandworm101 3y agoWell, how do the shrink-wrapped EULA's work when you sell a computer? What is Microsoft's position on you selling your windows license to a third party? I expect that car manufacturers will eventually take a similar line. But it won't be a big deal for very long. As we will soon all be paying subscriptions to use our cars, license transfers will be balled up into the transfer fees paid when you move your ongoing subscription commitment to the person buying your physical car. The manufacturers will supervise the process.
- feanaro 3y agoHow will this happen if we don't accept it?
- mpol 3y agoWhat does this mean? How do you "not accept this"? Are you jumping up and down now interior pictures are leaked from your Toyota? Do you not pay for recurring fees of licenses? Do you send an angry phone call in the general direction of Toyota HQ?
- bboygravity 3y agoI drive a 30+ year old car. It can easily last another 10 years. 0 tracking by the manufacturer. No subscription services needed. No annoying beeping when you forget to put on your seatbelt for 10 seconds. No touchscreen, all physical buttons. No Android/Apple spyware. No cameras. No ads on any display. No car-key that can run out of battery. It's nice.
- quickthrower2 3y agoHas to be a Saab 900
- bboygravity 3y agoToyota Camry
- kevviiinn 3y agoOr an early 90s honda
- iisan7 3y agoSame bucket here. But what do we do when it does need replacing? I don't own an old car because it's a hobby, I don't have a garage, and I also think that safety has improved a lot. There's a sweet spot to be found for cars with modern safety technology but without telemetry, subscriptions, or computerization (other than OBD-II). But these kind of cars seem to be on their way out. For now, I'll enjoy my manual transmission and roll-up windows!
- osigurdson 3y agoMaybe there will be a market for a dumb electric car in the future.
- feanaro 3y agoDon't buy a new Toyota. Make it widely known why you're not buying it. Remove the modem and publish instructions on how to do so. Start or join an initiative to legally punish this. Literally anything is better than sitting and solemnly spelling out what "will" and "must" be.
- DangitBobby 3y agoThere's clearly no meeting of the minds (I didn't even know about this "agreement", let alone read and agree to it) so I don't understand how the terms could possibly be binding. Failure of the courts, I guess.
- gambiting 3y ago>>What is Microsoft's position on you selling your windows license to a third party? It's 100% allowed within the EU, even for OEM licences. There have been multiple court cases about this and microsoft lost every single one. But I guess that's not what you were implying?
- syrrim 3y agoThe data collection would also be illegal in the EU I presume.
- actionfromafar 3y agoI wonder why I can’t buy a game license in a similar way from somebody.
- franga2000 3y agoYou absolutely can. If a game comes with a real license key (not an [insert platform here] activation/import key), you are entirely free to sell it the same way you can sell your Windows key.
- gambiting 3y agoBecause while the courts agree that legally licences are transferable, they haven't ruled that Valve and others should build a technical facility to allow this. Microsoft put themselves in this position by accident because they allow licence keys to be activated multiple times - so you're free to sell your licence to someone else and Microsoft has to activate it. While Valve can just refuse to build this functionality into Steam and no court has ordered them to do so.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThis is incidentally often the real reason why big companies refuse to release seemingly 'obvious' features their customers would value. Because of some adversarial legal precedent in a major market that would impair them more then the expected benefit. Microsoft probably is moving away from selling permanent licenses partly due to this, for everything except those to large customers they can individually keep tabs on.