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Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perf
by sandworm101 3y ago
Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perfectly willing to build tracking-free products when the customer base cares enough. I have never met any sportbike rider willing to share one iota of ongoing GPS data with anyone.
- jeffbee 3y agoWell, the motorcycle community is overstocked with privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists, so this makes sense. Also I can't think of any Honda motorcycle with a GPS aside from the Gold Wing, which stretches the definition of motorcycle in numerous ways. On the other hand every motorcyclist I ride with carries a Garmin inReach, which is the very definition of sharing your GPS with someone.
- AceyMan 3y ago> privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists [...] Being a prepper isn't extremist. (Yes, it's expensive, done right, but not necessarily extremist.) [disclaimer: I live in Los Angeles]
- sandworm101 3y agoA true prepper wouldn't admit their location.
- mikestew 3y agoNeither did AceyMan, I’m guessing.
- JohnFen 3y agoEvery person that I've ever met who calls themselves a "prepper" has been what most would call an extremist. (I'm not calling you an extremist -- I've never met you.) That's a different crowd from someone who is just prepared for emergencies and disasters.
- adolph 3y ago> Every person that I've ever met who calls themselves a "prepper" has been what most would call an extremist. It seems like you have a cognitive distortion to work out. Amplifying an anecdotal sample to classify all people with a shared interest as having other characteristics of your sample is understandable but also misguided.
- sandworm101 3y agoBut the difference with handheld devices is that if Garmin misuses the data, the cheap device is tossed aside. One cannot just abandon a motorcycle as one would a handheld device. The day that Garmin starts handing out speeding tickets is the day that every motorcycle rider smashes their devices.
- carom 3y agoI like how you consider people with a reasonable expectation of privacy as extremists.
- feanaro 3y agoI think anyone willing to share this data is an extremist.
- thewataccount 3y ago> https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-notice https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-noti... ~~~ Their's is a lot better, does still include Geolocation, audio recordings, navigation usage, however the usage looks limited to just Honda and the obviously required services: ~~~ > We will not use Geolocation Information for our own marketing purposes or disclose identifiable Geolocation Information with third parties (except our service providers) without your consent. https://web.archive.org/web/20230512194748/https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-notice https://web.archive.org/web/20230512194748/https://www.honda... EDIT: I just noticed the following: > These companies may use Covered Information for their everyday business purposes, including marketing, customer service, fulfillment and related purposes. These disclosures may qualify as a sale under certain state privacy laws. Also their definition of "Service Provider" is way too broad (see below comment). So I might need to retract my statement on their policy being good.
- ambicapter 3y agoWhat's a service provider in this context? Contracted automotive shops? Police?
- thewataccount 3y agoService providers are: Satellite, traffic, and telecommunications companies; Roadside assistance vendors; Contact centers; Research and development vendors; Providers of software integrated into our vehicles and systems; Marketing and non-marketing communications, analytics, and consulting firms; Professional service firms such as attorneys and accountants; Day-to-day business operations vendors such as courier services, facilities management suppliers, and information technology and network support. Although it's worth mentioning: > These companies may use Covered Information for their everyday business purposes, including marketing, customer service, fulfillment and related purposes. These disclosures may qualify as a sale under certain state privacy laws. So I might need to retract my statement on their policy being good. As for law enforcement: > We may use and disclose Covered Information and any other information about you to government or law enforcement officials or private parties if, in our discretion, we believe it is necessary or appropriate to respond to legal requests (including court orders, investigative demands and subpoenas), to protect the safety, property, or rights of ourselves, consumers, or any other third party, to prevent or stop any illegal, unethical, or legally actionable activity, or to comply with law.