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What change "destroyed" it for you? Was it extending the tweet length limit? Opening up verification for individuals? Organization labels? Bringing back a "foll

What change "destroyed" it for you? Was it extending the tweet length limit? Opening up verification for individuals? Organization labels? Bringing back a "following" timeline? From my POV, it's gotten objectively better at a rapid clip over the past 6 months and I've been seeing less off-topic stuff in my feed (which is basically anything not programming-related) or a few other accounts I follow.

blisterpeanuts 3y ago
Also: long form videos, subscriptions, encrypted messaging. Upcoming possibilities: video conferencing, micropayments á la WeChat. I think the acquisition has opened up a lot of interesting possibilities and potential for a service that had become stale.
IOT_Apprentice 3y ago
Courting actual Nazis, white supremacists, MAGA extremists and pushing them into prominence on feeds. And his constant need to feed his ego.
- lazyeye 3y ago
  Can you provide examples of this? And I mean genuine extremists rather than just people you disagree with.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    He brought back anyone previously banned for open naziism such as Andrew Anglin and more recently Patriotic Alternative. And some suspicious several “14 88” referencing tweets. There’s also the Nazi meme he posted. Then the Nazi with several huge Nazi tattoos that he defended as unlikely to be a Nazi. Or the groyper memeing. Then the Angelicism / Milady Maker memeing, an nft project made by crypto neonazis with anime swastika homepages
    - lazyeye 3y ago
      I checked just now and Andrew Anglin's account is suspended. I wasnt able to find a Patriotic Alternative account and when I searched on it, the overwhelming majority of the tweets were critical. And the content of the so-called nazi meme appears to have nothing to do with Nazism other than the shape of a helmet. It's actually about the speed of technology change. And from what I can tell Nick Fuentes/Groyper thing was on twitter for 24hrs before being suspended. So I dunno....it looks like you are providing a distorted view to support a narrative. If I wanted to I'm sure I could find all kinds of other hate content on the fringes that is equally nasty but sits outside the "narrative" we are constantly being force-fed.
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        you haven't looked much. those are also people who were let back and again suspended after obvious and newsworthy pressure from advertisers. lmk if you want more detail... or if you're unserious about this I didn’t say he’s very effective so far at whatever he’s doing. He caves to pressure and material realities like anyone and covers ass
        lazyeye 3y ago
        Sure if you have some links although Im assuming itll be some leftwing news outlets doing what you appear to be doing, which is dressing up supposition and hearsay as fact. Generally for me I mostly ignore the media as I find its largely distortions and half-truths. Not to mention Twitter is increasingly their competitor so unlikely to be objective anyway. I just go on what I see with my own eyes and it seems pretty clean to me.
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        All those were ones I saw first hand
        lazyeye 3y ago
        ok my experience is very different. Here's a short video on this exact topic of an interview with Elon Musk and a BBC "journalist" (I use that label very loosely). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJKAnN0-gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJKAnN0-gM
- concordDance 3y ago
  I'm skeptical given how often I've seen people be accused of being nazis and upon investigating discovering to my disappointment some rather milktoast views that would have been mainstream in 1990. Can you name an actual nazi he is courting?
rlt 3y ago
From a product perspective it’s certainly better. But his antics drove away a significant chunk of the user base I care about.
pupperino 3y ago
It always makes me laugh how, for years, we mocked journalists because of their inflated blue check egos, and now every "free thinker" out there is eager to pay to be just like them. Verification is meaningless for most individuals since there's no real need to verify if @ronny2938742 is indeed Mr. Ron Whatever. However, it's crucial to know if an account claiming to be a big company, government agency, journalist, politician, etc. is legitimate. Opening verification to subscribers is absolutely scammy, just a way to make a couple of bucks off the victims of culture war brainwashing.
- westoque 3y ago
  Funny. I see it differently. I pay for the blue check because it adds legitimacy. If I'm replying and having conversations with people with similar blue checks then I know I'm talking to real humans not hiding behind fake usernames. Also, any threats or anything from bad actors could otherwise be tracked based on payment method.
  - pupperino 3y ago
    When having conversations in HN does it bother you that you have no way to know if you're talking to a real human, not hiding behind fake usernames? What do you think underlies this feeling you seem to have? EDIT: what I do think was a tremendous success is the publicity stunt. I've never seen any platform where people felt they should pay to let people know they were who they claimed to be. Kudos to the people doing the whole "twitter is filled with bots" psyop, it worked.
    - westoque 3y ago
      > When having conversations in HN does it bother you that you have no way to know if you're talking to a real human, not hiding behind fake usernames? On HN, I'm not bothered at all. If I see the username "dang" for example, I know it's YC moderator dang also same with "patio11". I see HN as more of a private group discourse vs Twitter where it's public and where blue makes more sense. Akin to a forum, where I frequent like home-barista, the community is smaller and more focused so I don't see why having blue makes sense.
d23 3y ago
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- LudwigNagasena 3y ago
  What do you mean?
  - d23 3y ago
    Here are a few threads you might find interesting: * https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1654877506783137792 https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1654877506783137792 * https://twitter.com/hello__caitlin/status/1654871770082709506 https://twitter.com/hello__caitlin/status/165487177008270950... * https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1655948197129494532 https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1655948197129494532 I'm having trouble finding another one I saw yesterday he tweeted basically implying black women were an order of magnitude more violent than white women. Edit: ah, found it, along with a couple inane conspiracies to boot, which has become standard for him these days: * https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1655985143700389893 https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1655985143700389893
    - LudwigNagasena 3y ago
      What does that have to do with phrenology? You could just say he is racist or whatever if you think so.
      - d23 3y ago
        It's pseudoscientific bunk (in this case, statistics manipulated to deceive) designed push a narrative of a specific race being more violent. It is no more moral, intelligent, or useful than phrenology.
        LudwigNagasena 3y ago
        I think saying that it amounts to phrenology is a manipulation designed to push a narrative. I expected something completely different than what you’ve presented. I think you aren’t better than Elon Musk in that regard.
naet 3y ago
Effectively taking away API access by charging a huge fee for it is what made me move on personally.
IOT_Apprentice 3y ago
See Sam Harris’s interview about the issues with Musk that are directly done on Twitter by Musk himself. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKaMHCD/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKaMHCD/
- kernal 3y ago
  Sam Harris is a radical leftist.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    He’s a liberal
    - kernal 3y ago
      >I've never been under any illusion that he is Orange Hitler. >I supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden >I’ve said on several occasions that I think Donald Trump is a worse person than Osama bin Laden >Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement, I would not have cared. There’s nothing, it’s Hunter Biden, it’s not Joe Biden. Whatever the scope of Joe Biden’s corruption is…it is infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know Trump is involved in. It’s like a firefly to the sun. That's sounds like a radical leftist to me with a severe case of TDS.
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        Electoralism is liberalism
- bavell 3y ago
  I hadn't realized how lost Sam had gotten until I saw his Triggernometry interview [0]. I had a lot of respect for him once but he's clearly lost the plot. [0] https://youtu.be/DDqtFS_Pvcs https://youtu.be/DDqtFS_Pvcs
zorak8me 3y ago
My feed is no longer related to my interests and I don’t know how to get it back on track. That and losing the confidence that the blue check posting is actually someone relevant. Really kills the enjoyment for me.
vidarh 3y ago
Over the last few days my feed have been full of actual, literal fascists and other people I have no interest in seeing anything from. I spend less and less time on Twitter, and it's less and less enjoyable. Unless it changes drastically I won't still be there very long.
- nancyhn 3y ago
  You can fix that by not clicking on things you don't like, because it shows you more of what you click. You can end up with a feed with fascists or communists or both because free speech applies to all. But again, you can choose what you want to see by training the algo or by using the feed of who you are following.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    The problem with those assertions is that it didn't use to show me any of this content. It used to show me content I was reasonably happy with. Then the content showing up for me very rapidly changed towards including a huge amount of extreme right-wing content and bigotry over a period that I was hardly active, and only used the "Followers" tab and clicked on content I enjoyed from people who don't in any way fit the profile of the type of accounts I complained about earlier. At best the quality of their recommendation system has dramatically declined. At worst they're intentionally favouring different stuff. In between there are slightly more palatable (than the worst case) options, such as that they're favouring overall popularity of content more over your individual preferences, but in any case all I know is that it's turned from a relatively pleasant experience to pushing content in my face that disgusts me. I've also written recommendation systems. In fact, I've written one I used to run on top of Twitters API. And so I know from first-hand experience that it's trivial to get better quality recommendations more aligned with what I click on than what I'm currently getting. Something is seriously wrong, whether accidentally or intentionally.
tootie 3y ago
The complete destruction of content moderation and his personal beefs with users. He has been preaching "free speech" but he is enabling the worst people in the world while laying dishonest criticism on anyone he doesn't personally like. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/cat-dog-torture-videos-litter-twitter-adding-concerns-moderation-rcna84190 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/cat-dog-torture-video...
wahnfrieden 3y ago
I get pushed openly Nazi content. Like Nazi symbology (the obvious ones, not the deep cut pseudo ambiguous ones) memes and art and quote accounts. I used to report but they get turned down or only suspended for some days. I also now get pushed a lot of fight and public freak out videos specifically of black people with pages of replies talking about eugenics The app pushes me back to “for you” repeatedly where this stuff mostly is, or I get a push notification, or it shows up in following feed sometimes for people I don’t follow
multjoy 3y ago
For me, it was killing the API access. The native client sucks.
djur 3y ago
Three of those four changes (tweet length, paid checks, timeline changes) have made Twitter substantially worse to use. Now every reasonably popular tweet's replies are drowning in irrelevant novel-length screeds and emoji-laden nonsense from paying users.

blisterpeanuts 3y ago

Also: long form videos, subscriptions, encrypted messaging. Upcoming possibilities: video conferencing, micropayments á la WeChat. I think the acquisition has opened up a lot of interesting possibilities and potential for a service that had become stale.

IOT_Apprentice 3y ago

Courting actual Nazis, white supremacists, MAGA extremists and pushing them into prominence on feeds. And his constant need to feed his ego.

lazyeye 3y ago
Can you provide examples of this? And I mean genuine extremists rather than just people you disagree with.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  He brought back anyone previously banned for open naziism such as Andrew Anglin and more recently Patriotic Alternative. And some suspicious several “14 88” referencing tweets. There’s also the Nazi meme he posted. Then the Nazi with several huge Nazi tattoos that he defended as unlikely to be a Nazi. Or the groyper memeing. Then the Angelicism / Milady Maker memeing, an nft project made by crypto neonazis with anime swastika homepages
  - lazyeye 3y ago
    I checked just now and Andrew Anglin's account is suspended. I wasnt able to find a Patriotic Alternative account and when I searched on it, the overwhelming majority of the tweets were critical. And the content of the so-called nazi meme appears to have nothing to do with Nazism other than the shape of a helmet. It's actually about the speed of technology change. And from what I can tell Nick Fuentes/Groyper thing was on twitter for 24hrs before being suspended. So I dunno....it looks like you are providing a distorted view to support a narrative. If I wanted to I'm sure I could find all kinds of other hate content on the fringes that is equally nasty but sits outside the "narrative" we are constantly being force-fed.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      you haven't looked much. those are also people who were let back and again suspended after obvious and newsworthy pressure from advertisers. lmk if you want more detail... or if you're unserious about this I didn’t say he’s very effective so far at whatever he’s doing. He caves to pressure and material realities like anyone and covers ass
      - lazyeye 3y ago
        Sure if you have some links although Im assuming itll be some leftwing news outlets doing what you appear to be doing, which is dressing up supposition and hearsay as fact. Generally for me I mostly ignore the media as I find its largely distortions and half-truths. Not to mention Twitter is increasingly their competitor so unlikely to be objective anyway. I just go on what I see with my own eyes and it seems pretty clean to me.
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        All those were ones I saw first hand
        lazyeye 3y ago
        ok my experience is very different. Here's a short video on this exact topic of an interview with Elon Musk and a BBC "journalist" (I use that label very loosely). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJKAnN0-gM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqJKAnN0-gM
concordDance 3y ago
I'm skeptical given how often I've seen people be accused of being nazis and upon investigating discovering to my disappointment some rather milktoast views that would have been mainstream in 1990. Can you name an actual nazi he is courting?

rlt 3y ago

From a product perspective it’s certainly better. But his antics drove away a significant chunk of the user base I care about.

pupperino 3y ago

It always makes me laugh how, for years, we mocked journalists because of their inflated blue check egos, and now every "free thinker" out there is eager to pay to be just like them. Verification is meaningless for most individuals since there's no real need to verify if @ronny2938742 is indeed Mr. Ron Whatever. However, it's crucial to know if an account claiming to be a big company, government agency, journalist, politician, etc. is legitimate. Opening verification to subscribers is absolutely scammy, just a way to make a couple of bucks off the victims of culture war brainwashing.

westoque 3y ago
Funny. I see it differently. I pay for the blue check because it adds legitimacy. If I'm replying and having conversations with people with similar blue checks then I know I'm talking to real humans not hiding behind fake usernames. Also, any threats or anything from bad actors could otherwise be tracked based on payment method.
- pupperino 3y ago
  When having conversations in HN does it bother you that you have no way to know if you're talking to a real human, not hiding behind fake usernames? What do you think underlies this feeling you seem to have? EDIT: what I do think was a tremendous success is the publicity stunt. I've never seen any platform where people felt they should pay to let people know they were who they claimed to be. Kudos to the people doing the whole "twitter is filled with bots" psyop, it worked.
  - westoque 3y ago
    > When having conversations in HN does it bother you that you have no way to know if you're talking to a real human, not hiding behind fake usernames? On HN, I'm not bothered at all. If I see the username "dang" for example, I know it's YC moderator dang also same with "patio11". I see HN as more of a private group discourse vs Twitter where it's public and where blue makes more sense. Akin to a forum, where I frequent like home-barista, the community is smaller and more focused so I don't see why having blue makes sense.

d23 3y ago

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LudwigNagasena 3y ago
What do you mean?
- d23 3y ago
  Here are a few threads you might find interesting: * https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1654877506783137792 https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1654877506783137792 * https://twitter.com/hello__caitlin/status/1654871770082709506 https://twitter.com/hello__caitlin/status/165487177008270950... * https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1655948197129494532 https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1655948197129494532 I'm having trouble finding another one I saw yesterday he tweeted basically implying black women were an order of magnitude more violent than white women. Edit: ah, found it, along with a couple inane conspiracies to boot, which has become standard for him these days: * https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1655985143700389893 https://twitter.com/maxberger/status/1655985143700389893
  - LudwigNagasena 3y ago
    What does that have to do with phrenology? You could just say he is racist or whatever if you think so.
    - d23 3y ago
      It's pseudoscientific bunk (in this case, statistics manipulated to deceive) designed push a narrative of a specific race being more violent. It is no more moral, intelligent, or useful than phrenology.
      - LudwigNagasena 3y ago
        I think saying that it amounts to phrenology is a manipulation designed to push a narrative. I expected something completely different than what you’ve presented. I think you aren’t better than Elon Musk in that regard.

naet 3y ago

Effectively taking away API access by charging a huge fee for it is what made me move on personally.

IOT_Apprentice 3y ago

See Sam Harris’s interview about the issues with Musk that are directly done on Twitter by Musk himself. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKaMHCD/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKaMHCD/

kernal 3y ago
Sam Harris is a radical leftist.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  He’s a liberal
  - kernal 3y ago
    >I've never been under any illusion that he is Orange Hitler. >I supported censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story because it helped Biden >I’ve said on several occasions that I think Donald Trump is a worse person than Osama bin Laden >Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement, I would not have cared. There’s nothing, it’s Hunter Biden, it’s not Joe Biden. Whatever the scope of Joe Biden’s corruption is…it is infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know Trump is involved in. It’s like a firefly to the sun. That's sounds like a radical leftist to me with a severe case of TDS.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      Electoralism is liberalism
bavell 3y ago
I hadn't realized how lost Sam had gotten until I saw his Triggernometry interview [0]. I had a lot of respect for him once but he's clearly lost the plot. [0] https://youtu.be/DDqtFS_Pvcs https://youtu.be/DDqtFS_Pvcs

zorak8me 3y ago

My feed is no longer related to my interests and I don’t know how to get it back on track. That and losing the confidence that the blue check posting is actually someone relevant. Really kills the enjoyment for me.

vidarh 3y ago

Over the last few days my feed have been full of actual, literal fascists and other people I have no interest in seeing anything from. I spend less and less time on Twitter, and it's less and less enjoyable. Unless it changes drastically I won't still be there very long.

nancyhn 3y ago
You can fix that by not clicking on things you don't like, because it shows you more of what you click. You can end up with a feed with fascists or communists or both because free speech applies to all. But again, you can choose what you want to see by training the algo or by using the feed of who you are following.
- vidarh 3y ago
  The problem with those assertions is that it didn't use to show me any of this content. It used to show me content I was reasonably happy with. Then the content showing up for me very rapidly changed towards including a huge amount of extreme right-wing content and bigotry over a period that I was hardly active, and only used the "Followers" tab and clicked on content I enjoyed from people who don't in any way fit the profile of the type of accounts I complained about earlier. At best the quality of their recommendation system has dramatically declined. At worst they're intentionally favouring different stuff. In between there are slightly more palatable (than the worst case) options, such as that they're favouring overall popularity of content more over your individual preferences, but in any case all I know is that it's turned from a relatively pleasant experience to pushing content in my face that disgusts me. I've also written recommendation systems. In fact, I've written one I used to run on top of Twitters API. And so I know from first-hand experience that it's trivial to get better quality recommendations more aligned with what I click on than what I'm currently getting. Something is seriously wrong, whether accidentally or intentionally.

tootie 3y ago

The complete destruction of content moderation and his personal beefs with users. He has been preaching "free speech" but he is enabling the worst people in the world while laying dishonest criticism on anyone he doesn't personally like. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/cat-dog-torture-videos-litter-twitter-adding-concerns-moderation-rcna84190 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/cat-dog-torture-video...

wahnfrieden 3y ago

I get pushed openly Nazi content. Like Nazi symbology (the obvious ones, not the deep cut pseudo ambiguous ones) memes and art and quote accounts. I used to report but they get turned down or only suspended for some days. I also now get pushed a lot of fight and public freak out videos specifically of black people with pages of replies talking about eugenics The app pushes me back to “for you” repeatedly where this stuff mostly is, or I get a push notification, or it shows up in following feed sometimes for people I don’t follow

multjoy 3y ago

For me, it was killing the API access. The native client sucks.

djur 3y ago

Three of those four changes (tweet length, paid checks, timeline changes) have made Twitter substantially worse to use. Now every reasonably popular tweet's replies are drowning in irrelevant novel-length screeds and emoji-laden nonsense from paying users.