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You cannot make something that you know will cause a nuisance. You cannot, for instance, sell fireworks only between 1-3am in the middle of a neighborhood and a

You cannot make something that you know will cause a nuisance. You cannot, for instance, sell fireworks only between 1-3am in the middle of a neighborhood and act surprised when the neighbors are mad at you because kids are setting them off all night. It was absolutely predictable that these cars would be stolen and that the police would have to deal with the fallout. Just because there's no explicit law does not mean that Kia doesn't know better. Kia needs to pay for that.

ryandrake 3y ago
Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. They produced and sold a defective product, which is causing monetary damages to cities as they need to deal with the predictable exploit of that defect. I'm sure the city is prepared to show that these damages are a result of the companies' negligence. If I owned one of these defective cars, I'd also be keen on participating in a lawsuit against the company. If these cars had a defect that caused them to suddenly catch fire and burn down neighborhoods, you'd bet there would be lawsuits from everyone, including cities who pay for fire departments.
- michaelt 3y ago
  > Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. Well, the government does already set a bunch of standards for cars. And before the car leaves the factory, it's fine for the government to be issuing mandatory standards for lights, spare parts, seatbelts, crash safety, pedestrian protection, fuel economy and so on. But the government having a second, secret set of requirements? That can change without anyone being notified? To me that seems rather irregular.
  - op00to 3y ago
    There's no federal standard that says cars must not explode in a fireball during refueling. If one make of car started exploding, you'd see the federal government get involved very quickly. To me, that seems like a responsible way to react to an irregular situation.
    - endisneigh 3y ago
      The cars are not exploding. The government has no reason to car about your private property. Should bike manufacturers be sued as well for the rampant bike theft that happens in virtually every city in America? Gimme a break Affected owners should put together a class action and force a recall on the affected cars. As for those who actually got their cars stolen - they should take that up with the police and their insurance.
- op00to 3y ago
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atonse 3y ago
is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? I suspect it’s a bit of both and Baltimore is trying to pin it all on anyone else but them. Not making excuses for Kia. They should absolutely get penalties for taking shortcuts. But I feel that higher insurance premiums and a bad reputation would take care of it. And people won’t buy their cars.
- tzs 3y ago
  > is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? Yes. In numerous cities the car theft rate has gone way up in the last couple of years, in some doubling or more, with something like 95% of the increase being thefts of these particular Kia and Hyundai models.
  - ironcurtain 3y ago
    And there are also a lot of fat people due to ease of access to forks and spoons.

ryandrake 3y ago

Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. They produced and sold a defective product, which is causing monetary damages to cities as they need to deal with the predictable exploit of that defect. I'm sure the city is prepared to show that these damages are a result of the companies' negligence. If I owned one of these defective cars, I'd also be keen on participating in a lawsuit against the company. If these cars had a defect that caused them to suddenly catch fire and burn down neighborhoods, you'd bet there would be lawsuits from everyone, including cities who pay for fire departments.

michaelt 3y ago
> Yea, I'm really surprised at all this defense of these corporations. Well, the government does already set a bunch of standards for cars. And before the car leaves the factory, it's fine for the government to be issuing mandatory standards for lights, spare parts, seatbelts, crash safety, pedestrian protection, fuel economy and so on. But the government having a second, secret set of requirements? That can change without anyone being notified? To me that seems rather irregular.
- op00to 3y ago
  There's no federal standard that says cars must not explode in a fireball during refueling. If one make of car started exploding, you'd see the federal government get involved very quickly. To me, that seems like a responsible way to react to an irregular situation.
  - endisneigh 3y ago
    The cars are not exploding. The government has no reason to car about your private property. Should bike manufacturers be sued as well for the rampant bike theft that happens in virtually every city in America? Gimme a break Affected owners should put together a class action and force a recall on the affected cars. As for those who actually got their cars stolen - they should take that up with the police and their insurance.
op00to 3y ago
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atonse 3y ago

is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? I suspect it’s a bit of both and Baltimore is trying to pin it all on anyone else but them. Not making excuses for Kia. They should absolutely get penalties for taking shortcuts. But I feel that higher insurance premiums and a bad reputation would take care of it. And people won’t buy their cars.

tzs 3y ago
> is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? Yes. In numerous cities the car theft rate has gone way up in the last couple of years, in some doubling or more, with something like 95% of the increase being thefts of these particular Kia and Hyundai models.
- ironcurtain 3y ago
  And there are also a lot of fat people due to ease of access to forks and spoons.