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No thats just Hollywood. In general a crashed car or small plane crumbles on impact. It doesn't explode in a ball of fire. A forest fire is very unlikely here.

by byyyy 3y ago

No thats just Hollywood. In general a crashed car or small plane crumbles on impact. It doesn't explode in a ball of fire. A forest fire is very unlikely here. When you point your car at a wall and drive into that wall you ALSO cannot argue for 0 max danger of death for an innocent bystander. But the probability of a person dying is so low we know there is no danger for murder or death at all. It's just really stupid. Of course there needs to be consequences. A loss of pilots license and a huge ass fine. Jail time is crazy. You know how jail will ruin a person's entire life right? Even a month of jail time is in certain ways hangs on your record like a life sentence. It's too much.

vinaypai 3y ago
You know having a plane crash onto them ran ruin a person's entire life, right?
- byyyy 3y ago
  But what this have to do with a plane deliberately into an area known to be Devoid of people? Nothing. So why even say this? Makes no sense to me.
  - jameshart 3y ago
    When you get out of a plane that’s still flying you stop having any say in where that plane goes. How certain was he of where it might land? What if he misjudged and the plane had kept going much further than he expected? He had nudged it into a dive… but then he got out, changing the center of gravity of the plane - how did he know that wouldn’t trim the plane’s nose up and send it gliding off well beyond his target?
    - byyyy 3y ago
      All good points, except he deliberately crashed it at a specific location. He carried out an action with intention and that intention was fulfilled. You're going into hypotheticals about a possible mistake. I mean when you drive a car everyday you could make a mistake too. It's too fuzzy to go in this direction.
      - jameshart 3y ago
        Right, but as a society we have taken the position that we don’t trust people to correctly aim unguided gliding missiles at safe bits of ground. We therefore require pilots to not get out of their plane mid flight. Even if this guy got his calculations right, we don’t hand out licenses to people that say ‘we trust you to do that safely’. This is not an unreasonable regulatory burden impinging on individual freedom.
        byyyy 3y ago
        >Right, but as a society we have taken the position that we don’t trust people to correctly aim unguided gliding missiles at safe bits of ground. We therefore require pilots to not get out of their plane mid flight. Even if this guy got his calculations right, we don’t hand out licenses to people that say ‘we trust you to do that safely’. Agreed and we should punish these people accordingly with fines and suspension of license. We should not classify these people as potential murderers and put them in jail.
        9dev 3y ago
        Where did you get the idea that jail is for murderers exclusively? You can turn this around as much as you like, but as a matter of fact, and as parent described, he did something willingly that could have killed people or destroyed property. That they did that in a remote location doesn’t change a thing about that, that means our legal system works.
        byyyy 3y ago
        Where did you get the idea that I said jail is exclusively for murderers? I didn't say that. You should read. You going to drive has extremely high risk of killing somebody. Traffic accidents are some of the highest causes of death in the country. What I'm saying is what he did carries equivalent risk of killing to driving. He aimed the plane at a spot devoid of people and crashed it. Is there risk? Technically yes, but it's technical to the point where it stops making sense to consider it.
      - 3y ago
tiberious726 3y ago
You seem awfully hung up on the Hollywood effects being overblown. Yes, this is true and no one is arguing against it. However, even a small spark can start a forest fire. Thinking you're safe just because there is no explosion is wildly irresponsible. Anyone who intensionally crashes a huge hunk of metal into pubic land, causing a significant hazard, and exposing the public to stupid risks for "views" absolutely deserves significant jail-time
- byyyy 3y ago
  >You seem awfully hung up on the Hollywood effects being overblown. Yes, this is true and no one is arguing against it. However, even a small spark can start a forest fire. I'm hung up on it because the likelihood of this happening is in Actuality overblown. It's not fire season yet and CA just came out of a drenching torrent of rain.
  - jameshart 3y ago
    He did this in November 2021. The Alisal fire was still burning in Los Padres. Literally where he crashed.
- byyyy 3y ago
  >Anyone who intensionally crashes a huge hunk of metal into pubic land, causing a significant hazard, and exposing the public to stupid risks for "views" absolutely deserves significant jail-time No people who slaughters others through deliberate negligence deserve jail time. That includes FAA and boeing employees who violated clear rules. A person who does stupid shit with no intention of killing people and put no one at risk and ended up not killing anybody should be punished for doing stupid shit. Jail time which is huge is reserved for actual criminals, who actively and have Already harmed people.

by byyyy 3y ago

vinaypai 3y ago

You know having a plane crash onto them ran ruin a person's entire life, right?

byyyy 3y ago
But what this have to do with a plane deliberately into an area known to be Devoid of people? Nothing. So why even say this? Makes no sense to me.
- jameshart 3y ago
  When you get out of a plane that’s still flying you stop having any say in where that plane goes. How certain was he of where it might land? What if he misjudged and the plane had kept going much further than he expected? He had nudged it into a dive… but then he got out, changing the center of gravity of the plane - how did he know that wouldn’t trim the plane’s nose up and send it gliding off well beyond his target?
  - byyyy 3y ago
    All good points, except he deliberately crashed it at a specific location. He carried out an action with intention and that intention was fulfilled. You're going into hypotheticals about a possible mistake. I mean when you drive a car everyday you could make a mistake too. It's too fuzzy to go in this direction.
    - jameshart 3y ago
      Right, but as a society we have taken the position that we don’t trust people to correctly aim unguided gliding missiles at safe bits of ground. We therefore require pilots to not get out of their plane mid flight. Even if this guy got his calculations right, we don’t hand out licenses to people that say ‘we trust you to do that safely’. This is not an unreasonable regulatory burden impinging on individual freedom.
      - byyyy 3y ago
        >Right, but as a society we have taken the position that we don’t trust people to correctly aim unguided gliding missiles at safe bits of ground. We therefore require pilots to not get out of their plane mid flight. Even if this guy got his calculations right, we don’t hand out licenses to people that say ‘we trust you to do that safely’. Agreed and we should punish these people accordingly with fines and suspension of license. We should not classify these people as potential murderers and put them in jail.
        9dev 3y ago
        Where did you get the idea that jail is for murderers exclusively? You can turn this around as much as you like, but as a matter of fact, and as parent described, he did something willingly that could have killed people or destroyed property. That they did that in a remote location doesn’t change a thing about that, that means our legal system works.
        byyyy 3y ago
        Where did you get the idea that I said jail is exclusively for murderers? I didn't say that. You should read. You going to drive has extremely high risk of killing somebody. Traffic accidents are some of the highest causes of death in the country. What I'm saying is what he did carries equivalent risk of killing to driving. He aimed the plane at a spot devoid of people and crashed it. Is there risk? Technically yes, but it's technical to the point where it stops making sense to consider it.
    - 3y ago

tiberious726 3y ago

You seem awfully hung up on the Hollywood effects being overblown. Yes, this is true and no one is arguing against it. However, even a small spark can start a forest fire. Thinking you're safe just because there is no explosion is wildly irresponsible. Anyone who intensionally crashes a huge hunk of metal into pubic land, causing a significant hazard, and exposing the public to stupid risks for "views" absolutely deserves significant jail-time

byyyy 3y ago
>You seem awfully hung up on the Hollywood effects being overblown. Yes, this is true and no one is arguing against it. However, even a small spark can start a forest fire. I'm hung up on it because the likelihood of this happening is in Actuality overblown. It's not fire season yet and CA just came out of a drenching torrent of rain.
- jameshart 3y ago
  He did this in November 2021. The Alisal fire was still burning in Los Padres. Literally where he crashed.
byyyy 3y ago
>Anyone who intensionally crashes a huge hunk of metal into pubic land, causing a significant hazard, and exposing the public to stupid risks for "views" absolutely deserves significant jail-time No people who slaughters others through deliberate negligence deserve jail time. That includes FAA and boeing employees who violated clear rules. A person who does stupid shit with no intention of killing people and put no one at risk and ended up not killing anybody should be punished for doing stupid shit. Jail time which is huge is reserved for actual criminals, who actively and have Already harmed people.