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Chatbots Don’t Know What Stuff Isn’t

6 points by theafh 3y ago

PaulHoule 3y ago
I think how negation is a major problem in classical logic and how it affected symbolic A.I. There are numerous ways of representing negation in logic, but all of them, like the three ways of representing OO hierarchies in SQL, do some things well and fall down completely in others.
sharemywin 3y ago
What animals don’t have paws or lay eggs, but have wings? please think about this step by step ChatGPT Sure, I can help you think through this question step by step. First, let's start with the requirement that the animal should have wings. This immediately eliminates most mammals, such as cats, dogs, and horses, as they do not have wings. Birds are the first animals that come to mind when we think of animals with wings, but there are also insects, bats, and some reptiles that have wings. Now, let's move on to the requirement that the animal should not have paws. Paws are typically associated with mammals, so we can eliminate most mammals from consideration. However, some birds and reptiles have appendages that are similar to paws, such as talons or claws, which they use for grasping and climbing. Bats also have wings with fingers that can be used for grasping, but they are still classified as paws. Therefore, we should focus on animals that do not have grasping appendages like paws or talons. Lastly, we need to eliminate animals that lay eggs. This eliminates most birds, as they lay eggs. However, there are still some birds that do not lay eggs, such as cuckoos and megapodes, which incubate their eggs outside of their bodies. Most insects also lay eggs, so we should focus on the remaining options. Putting all of this together, the answer to the original question would be: bats. Bats have wings, but they do not have paws in the traditional sense, as their wings are adapted for flight rather than grasping. Additionally, bats do not lay eggs, but give birth to live young. Therefore, bats are the animals that meet all of the criteria specified in the question.
- sharemywin 3y ago
  GPT-4 USER What animals don’t have paws or lay eggs, but have wings? ASSISTANT Bats are animals that have wings, do not have paws, and give birth to live young instead of laying eggs. They are the only mammals capable of sustained flight.
dmboyd 3y ago
Intuitively this has to be right, ie, stemming, lemmatization plus data pre processing for sentiment has to impact the kinds of reasoning and logic applied. That has to be transitory until models can handle a larger word vocabulary and better development/sanitizer training sets. It seems fairly pedantic in the meantime to make sweeping projections discounting LLM reasoning, seemingly over a dispute that a flying lemur have wings. Airplanes, hang gliders, kites are all described as having wings, heck even penguins, which do not fly, have wings.
eternityforest 3y ago
They sometimes say you're supposed to phrase affirmations positively, because your subconscious doesn't hear negations. The fact that AI makes mistakes similar to human brains freaks me out more than the fact it can replicate some of what people do.

6 points by theafh 3y ago

I think how negation is a major problem in classical logic and how it affected symbolic A.I. There are numerous ways of representing negation in logic, but all of them, like the three ways of representing OO hierarchies in SQL, do some things well and fall down completely in others.

sharemywin 3y ago

What animals don’t have paws or lay eggs, but have wings? please think about this step by step ChatGPT Sure, I can help you think through this question step by step. First, let's start with the requirement that the animal should have wings. This immediately eliminates most mammals, such as cats, dogs, and horses, as they do not have wings. Birds are the first animals that come to mind when we think of animals with wings, but there are also insects, bats, and some reptiles that have wings. Now, let's move on to the requirement that the animal should not have paws. Paws are typically associated with mammals, so we can eliminate most mammals from consideration. However, some birds and reptiles have appendages that are similar to paws, such as talons or claws, which they use for grasping and climbing. Bats also have wings with fingers that can be used for grasping, but they are still classified as paws. Therefore, we should focus on animals that do not have grasping appendages like paws or talons. Lastly, we need to eliminate animals that lay eggs. This eliminates most birds, as they lay eggs. However, there are still some birds that do not lay eggs, such as cuckoos and megapodes, which incubate their eggs outside of their bodies. Most insects also lay eggs, so we should focus on the remaining options. Putting all of this together, the answer to the original question would be: bats. Bats have wings, but they do not have paws in the traditional sense, as their wings are adapted for flight rather than grasping. Additionally, bats do not lay eggs, but give birth to live young. Therefore, bats are the animals that meet all of the criteria specified in the question.

sharemywin 3y ago
GPT-4 USER What animals don’t have paws or lay eggs, but have wings? ASSISTANT Bats are animals that have wings, do not have paws, and give birth to live young instead of laying eggs. They are the only mammals capable of sustained flight.

dmboyd 3y ago

Intuitively this has to be right, ie, stemming, lemmatization plus data pre processing for sentiment has to impact the kinds of reasoning and logic applied. That has to be transitory until models can handle a larger word vocabulary and better development/sanitizer training sets. It seems fairly pedantic in the meantime to make sweeping projections discounting LLM reasoning, seemingly over a dispute that a flying lemur have wings. Airplanes, hang gliders, kites are all described as having wings, heck even penguins, which do not fly, have wings.

eternityforest 3y ago

They sometimes say you're supposed to phrase affirmations positively, because your subconscious doesn't hear negations. The fact that AI makes mistakes similar to human brains freaks me out more than the fact it can replicate some of what people do.