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There is the war on drugs, locking people in prison due to marijuana transactions. With all the talk of China being a police state, the US has more people inca

There is the war on drugs, locking people in prison due to marijuana transactions. With all the talk of China being a police state, the US has more people incarcerated than China - and China's population is more than four times that of the US. European countries don't have these problems, like the rash of mass shootings we have had in the past few weeks in just Texas. Also these prisons are a sop to rural communities for money and jobs, with prisoners from the cities. The prisoners also count for congressional districts going to these areas but can not vote. Of course there is also the profit making of private prisons. Judges have been found sending innocent people to jail for kickbacks. It is time to solve these problems like Europe does, and one step is incarceration going down to three times the rate of China, as opposed to over four times.

mantas 3y ago
„European“ policy has caveats too. What you call „european“ policy is mostly West europe. That had pretty good cultural hold on crimes. for a while. This method does work for it. But when here in eastern europe got same policies forced down our throats... Here culture is slightly different and many criminals are career criminals and take pride their... line of work. So we get routine re-offenses. Or people commit new crimes while waiting for trial. West seems to have issues with certain parts of their societies that ain't culturally trained to behave too. This doesn't work well if society accepts crime as a respectable line of work. E.g. glorifying criminal „subculture“ and normalising that.
morning-coffee 3y ago
> It is time to solve these problems like Europe does, and one step is incarceration going down to three times the rate of China, as opposed to over four times. But correlation does not imply causation, right? I don't understand how it follows from noting our incarceration rate being higher than another place with less crime, and then reaching the seeming conclusion that the answer, therefore, is to stop putting people in jail.
intrasight 3y ago
> the US has more people incarcerated than China Summary execution keeps incarceration rates down. It also disincentivizes crime.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  Human rights groups estimates of Chinese executions are too low to close the gap. Deterrence is not supported by sound research.

mantas 3y ago

„European“ policy has caveats too. What you call „european“ policy is mostly West europe. That had pretty good cultural hold on crimes. for a while. This method does work for it. But when here in eastern europe got same policies forced down our throats... Here culture is slightly different and many criminals are career criminals and take pride their... line of work. So we get routine re-offenses. Or people commit new crimes while waiting for trial. West seems to have issues with certain parts of their societies that ain't culturally trained to behave too. This doesn't work well if society accepts crime as a respectable line of work. E.g. glorifying criminal „subculture“ and normalising that.

morning-coffee 3y ago

> It is time to solve these problems like Europe does, and one step is incarceration going down to three times the rate of China, as opposed to over four times. But correlation does not imply causation, right? I don't understand how it follows from noting our incarceration rate being higher than another place with less crime, and then reaching the seeming conclusion that the answer, therefore, is to stop putting people in jail.

intrasight 3y ago

> the US has more people incarcerated than China Summary execution keeps incarceration rates down. It also disincentivizes crime.

pseudalopex 3y ago
Human rights groups estimates of Chinese executions are too low to close the gap. Deterrence is not supported by sound research.