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Well you need patents and those patents will be created and registered in the US or China this way. Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on

Well you need patents and those patents will be created and registered in the US or China this way. Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers. So wealth is leaking(patent costs etc) out of Europe and the continent will have less wealth in total over time. Especially now that the cheap Russian energy they had access too is going to their manufacturing rival China and it will also boost Indian development manufacturing. Brussels is doing everything in their power to deindustrialise and make Europe less competitive on the global market..

nozzlegear 3y ago
Wouldn’t those patents be for things the EU sees as unethical anyway, and therefore something they shouldn’t build? Or do you mean the rest of the world might use these unethical, super-villainy means to discover and patent totally normal things that they might want to use in the EU as well? > Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers. Do we know that’s actually because they weren’t able to innovate on their own due to Brussels regulation, or some other factor?
- hef19898 3y ago
  > Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers. That's a meme and not true at all. Well, of course a lot of European car makers source from China. As does everyone, everywhere, else.
- konschubert 3y ago
  The point is that regulation doesn’t just kill unethical startups, it kills all startups.
  - awuji 3y ago
    Why would it kill all startups? The amount of AI startups that are being restricted by this are minimal. Hugging Face isn't going to have to shut down because of this. University research into the best ways to stabilize GAN training isn't going to grind to a standstill. Companies developing weeding robots aren't going to have to turn to symbolic AI for image recognition. Scientists are still going to be able to model landslide risk caused by receding glaciers. Maybe only 1% of AI start ups will be negatively effected by this to the point they would be better off leaving Europe. I am not in a EU country and I would never ever vote to join the EU, but this is one of the better EU legislations. Saying this would "kill all startups" is like saying GDPR will kill all internet business in Europe. Its both alarmist and false.
mitchdoogle 3y ago
I don't understand what you're arguing for. You want the EU to throw ethics out the window to encourage business growth?
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  No one us saying throw ethics out, they just see a different risk/reward balance than the EU regulatory bodies
  - dorchadas 3y ago
    One that seems to pretty much throw ethics out the window.

nozzlegear 3y ago

Wouldn’t those patents be for things the EU sees as unethical anyway, and therefore something they shouldn’t build? Or do you mean the rest of the world might use these unethical, super-villainy means to discover and patent totally normal things that they might want to use in the EU as well? > Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers. Do we know that’s actually because they weren’t able to innovate on their own due to Brussels regulation, or some other factor?

hef19898 3y ago
> Kind of like how EU car manufacturers have been sleeping on the EV movement. Now they have to source their parts from Chinese manufacturers. That's a meme and not true at all. Well, of course a lot of European car makers source from China. As does everyone, everywhere, else.
konschubert 3y ago
The point is that regulation doesn’t just kill unethical startups, it kills all startups.
- awuji 3y ago
  Why would it kill all startups? The amount of AI startups that are being restricted by this are minimal. Hugging Face isn't going to have to shut down because of this. University research into the best ways to stabilize GAN training isn't going to grind to a standstill. Companies developing weeding robots aren't going to have to turn to symbolic AI for image recognition. Scientists are still going to be able to model landslide risk caused by receding glaciers. Maybe only 1% of AI start ups will be negatively effected by this to the point they would be better off leaving Europe. I am not in a EU country and I would never ever vote to join the EU, but this is one of the better EU legislations. Saying this would "kill all startups" is like saying GDPR will kill all internet business in Europe. Its both alarmist and false.

mitchdoogle 3y ago

I don't understand what you're arguing for. You want the EU to throw ethics out the window to encourage business growth?

oh_sigh 3y ago
No one us saying throw ethics out, they just see a different risk/reward balance than the EU regulatory bodies
- dorchadas 3y ago
  One that seems to pretty much throw ethics out the window.