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Pretty tired of hearing this, the EU law does not mandate tracking pop-ups, it basically just says “you cannot collect information about a person without their

Pretty tired of hearing this, the EU law does not mandate tracking pop-ups, it basically just says “you cannot collect information about a person without their consent”. There are a million ways to do that, like not collecting data in the first place unless a user opts-in to your research group for example. But companies chose the most user-hostile one intentionally. Essentially forcing everyone to give consent anyways (just click the big bright “consent” button!) The fact that you’re able to maintain any amount of privacy at all on the internet is thanks to the EU, you can decline the pop-ups. If it wasn’t for that, then you wouldn’t even know when companies were abusing your data in the first place.

gradys 3y ago
If everyone chooses to comply with the law in the same annoying way, that’s a consequence of the law. It may be a second order effect, but good governance means considering second order effects.
snacktaster 3y ago
I think the main issue is that the EU is very quick to regulate before it even fully understands the problems or what the potential consequences of the regulation would be. The cookie banners were an absolutely obvious outcome. And we're seeing it again right now with their draft AI regulations before anyone even barely understands what it is or what the problems are. It's why EU simply can't produce anything useful at all because any European with a spark of entrepreneurial spirit goes to USA to start their company.
- agentofoblivion 3y ago
  Not sure why you’re downvoted—the evidence is in your favor. This whole thread is basically about the EU not being brought along in what most consider a tech revolution, and it’s likely a direct response to their laws that are well intentioned, but practically onerous. Arguable, we recently saw the same thing with labor laws. The net result will be a smaller presence of American tech companies/jobs/services in Europe. Many self-identified Europeans here seem to be in support of that outcome—Godspeed!
yolo3000 3y ago
Exactly. Nowadays on some websites which load for example twitter messages, they will show an inlined form asking you to consent (for twitter's tracking). The rest of the page loads, except the tweets.
amadeuspagel 3y ago
Check out a few official EU websites, they all have tracking popups: — https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/de https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/de — https://commission.europa.eu/index_de https://commission.europa.eu/index_de
agentofoblivion 3y ago
This is the web privacy version of, “but that wasn’t REAL communism.” Look, you guys made a law, and what happened happened. When someone criticizes the law because of the consequences it led to, you don’t get to whine, “but it was the fault of the people responding in a way that we didn’t intend!” If your best argument is that the law was vague as to what compliance meant, then that sounds like a problem with the law.

gradys 3y ago

If everyone chooses to comply with the law in the same annoying way, that’s a consequence of the law. It may be a second order effect, but good governance means considering second order effects.

snacktaster 3y ago

I think the main issue is that the EU is very quick to regulate before it even fully understands the problems or what the potential consequences of the regulation would be. The cookie banners were an absolutely obvious outcome. And we're seeing it again right now with their draft AI regulations before anyone even barely understands what it is or what the problems are. It's why EU simply can't produce anything useful at all because any European with a spark of entrepreneurial spirit goes to USA to start their company.

agentofoblivion 3y ago
Not sure why you’re downvoted—the evidence is in your favor. This whole thread is basically about the EU not being brought along in what most consider a tech revolution, and it’s likely a direct response to their laws that are well intentioned, but practically onerous. Arguable, we recently saw the same thing with labor laws. The net result will be a smaller presence of American tech companies/jobs/services in Europe. Many self-identified Europeans here seem to be in support of that outcome—Godspeed!

yolo3000 3y ago

Exactly. Nowadays on some websites which load for example twitter messages, they will show an inlined form asking you to consent (for twitter's tracking). The rest of the page loads, except the tweets.

amadeuspagel 3y ago

Check out a few official EU websites, they all have tracking popups: — https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/de https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/de — https://commission.europa.eu/index_de https://commission.europa.eu/index_de

agentofoblivion 3y ago

This is the web privacy version of, “but that wasn’t REAL communism.” Look, you guys made a law, and what happened happened. When someone criticizes the law because of the consequences it led to, you don’t get to whine, “but it was the fault of the people responding in a way that we didn’t intend!” If your best argument is that the law was vague as to what compliance meant, then that sounds like a problem with the law.