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What the EU is doing is not working. The legislative effort is real, well intentioned, and groundbreaking. It reflects democratically the wishes of half-a-bill

What the EU is doing is not working. The legislative effort is real, well intentioned, and groundbreaking. It reflects democratically the wishes of half-a-billion people that include some of the fairest and most sensible countries on the planet. So ignore the hallucinating tech bros. EU legislation is certainly in the direction of what a good digital society looks like. But there is no response on the ground. From the tech makers. Remember the timeless Buckminster Fuller quote: you need to make a new model that makes the old model obsolete. Why aren't there any actors taking the clear legislative signals at heart to create the new digital model? Here are some hypotheses / flow chart: * there are no such actors. too much focus on luxury goods, not much on tech. mass migration of talent to the US has created a desert. * there are actors but they don't get funded to act. If that is the case, we need to ask: there are gazillions of euros rotting, so why is this not happening? Possible causes: \* financiers don't actually buy the legislative agenda. they think it will be watered down / defanged by the FAANGS \* financiers belong to a group that doesn't actually *like* this legislative agenda (they bank on surveillance capitalism and the like for guaranteed returns) Whatever the fundamental challenges and first causes, unless there is bottom-up buildup of alternative approaches the top-down agenda will eventually fail.

smarx007 3y ago
Well, GDPR seems to be working all right. Care to share any facts in support of your statements? AI Act's required audits by TÜV and like (somewhat similar to UL in North America) are going to have pretty straighforward "response on the ground".
- nologic01 3y ago
  you seem to imply that enforcing legislation means its "working". this is obviously a pre-requisite. legislation that is not enforced is a joke. but as clearly stated in my comment, this is fighting the old model, not building a new one.
  - smarx007 3y ago
    To me, a privacy regulation that focuses not on merely collecting and protecting private data (HIPAA and friends), but instead on purposes of its use is very much a new model. For example, Amazon doesn't need consent to process and store your home address, but only as long as they use it to deliver goods you order and nothing else. I think it's more of a problem with companies who are fighting to keep the old model (thus, asking for consent where it's not needed just in case they want to do something privacy-disrespectful with it in the future – you can totally deny consent and keep using the service) and consumers not understanding this (and thus, not voting with their feet). But I see GDPR enforcement every day (I donate to https://noyb.eu/en https://noyb.eu/en and recommend you to do the same if possible), people fighting non-free consent etc. – I expect in a few more years the landscape will be better understood.
    - ldhough 3y ago
      > donate to https://noyb.eu/en https://noyb.eu/en Thanks for the referral, joined as a supporting member :)

smarx007 3y ago

Well, GDPR seems to be working all right. Care to share any facts in support of your statements? AI Act's required audits by TÜV and like (somewhat similar to UL in North America) are going to have pretty straighforward "response on the ground".

nologic01 3y ago
you seem to imply that enforcing legislation means its "working". this is obviously a pre-requisite. legislation that is not enforced is a joke. but as clearly stated in my comment, this is fighting the old model, not building a new one.
- smarx007 3y ago
  To me, a privacy regulation that focuses not on merely collecting and protecting private data (HIPAA and friends), but instead on purposes of its use is very much a new model. For example, Amazon doesn't need consent to process and store your home address, but only as long as they use it to deliver goods you order and nothing else. I think it's more of a problem with companies who are fighting to keep the old model (thus, asking for consent where it's not needed just in case they want to do something privacy-disrespectful with it in the future – you can totally deny consent and keep using the service) and consumers not understanding this (and thus, not voting with their feet). But I see GDPR enforcement every day (I donate to https://noyb.eu/en https://noyb.eu/en and recommend you to do the same if possible), people fighting non-free consent etc. – I expect in a few more years the landscape will be better understood.
  - ldhough 3y ago
    > donate to https://noyb.eu/en https://noyb.eu/en Thanks for the referral, joined as a supporting member :)