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you’re a SWE working 45 hours a week? You can do better, even in the US. I suggest focusing on company culture when interviewing if you care about this kind of

you’re a SWE working 45 hours a week? You can do better, even in the US. I suggest focusing on company culture when interviewing if you care about this kind of stuff. I’ve worked at 3 companies in my career so far, and worked about 40 hours a week at each of them. i was not born into wealth…neither were (most) of my coworkers. I won’t even ask about the $70k salary. I made that much at my first gig after college. Sounds like your employer is taking advantage of you.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
>The national average salary for a Software Developer is $88,383 in United States. Yes many of us here are capable of making multiples more than that and so have I, but we're not talking career advice here, we're talking about material conditions industry wide
wahnfrieden 3y ago
Your logic is the same as the scab: others are foolish because I can personally enrich myself by doing something without care for how it ends up hurting myself in the long run
- lurking_swe 3y ago
  look i get it, you’d prefer if people unionized so that the less fortunate benefit. a noble goal. But the parent is very confused if they think working conditions are amazing in europe. I agree PTO is fantastic for legal reasons. That aside…please realize that average pay in an expensive city like berlin is right around the $70k salary that they make fun of. see for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27916453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27916453 that’s for a SENIOR btw. Housing in Berlin is not cheap.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    I'm not a fan of unions, you have a narrow sense of politics
deprecative 3y ago
You really can't do much better as a SWE in the US. Even when you're not sitting at your computer typing in all that super slick code you're still working. Company culture is the same within the US from place to place unless you want some ultra fundamentalist loon for a boss? The base salary for Entry Level Developer ranges from $67,415 to $84,398 with the average base salary of $75,125. > Sounds like your employer is taking advantage of you. That's what employers do. That's all they do. That's all they're designed to do. But that's irrelevant because I am personally speaking to industry trends not a singular employer. I guess cope harder? You've been working 40 hours. I assume you had a lunch period. That's 45. You work what we all do. Congrats.
- lurking_swe 3y ago
  No, 40 hours includes lunch breaks. :) My bosses have all been non-jerks too, which is important. I’m probably lucky…but part of me just laughs during these types of conversations. we (software engineers) are more privileged than 90% of workers in america. Feels a bit like a harvard student complaining how hard their life is. It’s just a pointless discussion IMO. Anyway ya’ll bitter as hell lol. Wish you all a pleasant day.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    we're all in this together as workers, even if some of us are lucky to have higher pay than others. you're missing the point. yes tech workers have cushy lives.

wahnfrieden 3y ago

>The national average salary for a Software Developer is $88,383 in United States. Yes many of us here are capable of making multiples more than that and so have I, but we're not talking career advice here, we're talking about material conditions industry wide

wahnfrieden 3y ago

Your logic is the same as the scab: others are foolish because I can personally enrich myself by doing something without care for how it ends up hurting myself in the long run

lurking_swe 3y ago
look i get it, you’d prefer if people unionized so that the less fortunate benefit. a noble goal. But the parent is very confused if they think working conditions are amazing in europe. I agree PTO is fantastic for legal reasons. That aside…please realize that average pay in an expensive city like berlin is right around the $70k salary that they make fun of. see for yourself: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27916453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27916453 that’s for a SENIOR btw. Housing in Berlin is not cheap.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  I'm not a fan of unions, you have a narrow sense of politics

deprecative 3y ago

You really can't do much better as a SWE in the US. Even when you're not sitting at your computer typing in all that super slick code you're still working. Company culture is the same within the US from place to place unless you want some ultra fundamentalist loon for a boss? The base salary for Entry Level Developer ranges from $67,415 to $84,398 with the average base salary of $75,125. > Sounds like your employer is taking advantage of you. That's what employers do. That's all they do. That's all they're designed to do. But that's irrelevant because I am personally speaking to industry trends not a singular employer. I guess cope harder? You've been working 40 hours. I assume you had a lunch period. That's 45. You work what we all do. Congrats.

lurking_swe 3y ago
No, 40 hours includes lunch breaks. :) My bosses have all been non-jerks too, which is important. I’m probably lucky…but part of me just laughs during these types of conversations. we (software engineers) are more privileged than 90% of workers in america. Feels a bit like a harvard student complaining how hard their life is. It’s just a pointless discussion IMO. Anyway ya’ll bitter as hell lol. Wish you all a pleasant day.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  we're all in this together as workers, even if some of us are lucky to have higher pay than others. you're missing the point. yes tech workers have cushy lives.