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I've been using Brave as my daily driver for a while now. I like it. I understand people don't like crypto blah blah blah but you don't have to use it.

veidr 3y ago
Me too. I mean I use several browsers at the same time, but Brave has become the "main" browser I use for all my personal browsing (work shit, I leave in Chrome). But the thing is I don't like Brave, either. I don't like the crypto, and I don't like the business model (replace websites' chosen ads with their own ads). And, in that way we judge people whom we don't know personally based on the set of things we do know about them, I don't like Brandon Eich. Nevertheless, for around a year and counting, I use Brave the most because it's just the best browser. It's fast, and blocks a lot more of the shit I don't ever want to see in my browser without me having to configure anything. (I will note that I do have to turn off all sorts of annoying shit in Brave, like the news and the crypto and the "better" ads, but you only have to do that one time and then it syncs across your other devices.) It's funny to me that for web browsers today, blocking things has become arguably more important than rendering things, but there it is. They were the first browser AFAIK to build in blocking for those cunty "we had to smear our web page with feces because of mean old Europe and their GDPR, please please click this to give us permission to let our advertising cabal spy on you using your own hardware" notices. This is another one in that vein. Allowing any and all "unwanted first-party reidentification" is a nonsense default. I get how it happened, that it wasn't designed for the surveillance capitalist hellscape that the web has become, but whatever; inverting the default on that is definitely how I want my browser on my computer to behave. More like this, please.
- BrendanEich 3y ago
  "replace websites' chosen ads with their own ads" We've never done this. Why do you think we did or would?
  - llarsson 3y ago
    Semantic difference. Brave takes away ads from pages. Then, it shows other ads in other ways: https://brave.com/brave-rewards/ https://brave.com/brave-rewards/ https://brave.com/brave-ads/ad-formats/ https://brave.com/brave-ads/ad-formats/ So while the statement that it "replaces ads with their own ads" is technically false (the ads are not injected into the web sites in place of the blocked ones), it's still a sloppy but mostly correct way of pointing out that the business incentive behind Brave's ad blocking means that the goal isn't abolish ads as a concept altogether. The point is still to show ads if companies want to pay for it.
  - throwaway81283 3y ago
    Unrelated general request: Please consider looking into the functionality of "I still don't care about cookies", as it blocks more cookie notices than Brave, including Google. Also website redirects would be great for the Desktop Browser (reddit to old reddit, twitter to nitter, etc.), similar to your iOS feature.
keyboardJones 3y ago
Same here. I spread my web browsing between a handful of browsers, but when I want things to “just work”, Brave is my go-to.
qsi 3y ago
I am so used to seeing websites rendered in Brave (both mobile and desktop), that whenever I am forced to use a standard Chrome/Edge/Firefox I am appalled at the experience. The ad bombardment is unrelenting, and I my mental reflexes to tune them out have atrophied to the point where I don't understand how anyone can use the web with a "normal" browser. The crypto stuff I just ignore. Very occasionally a web site will break in Brave but work in Chrome, but those instances are converging to zero based on about 5 years of use.
- radlad 3y ago
  > I don't understand how anyone can use the web with a "normal" browser. uBlock Origin and Sponsor Block work fine for me. Some use pi-hole or a similar DNS-based solution (I use dns.adguard.com on my phone.)
  - qsi 3y ago
    I should have specified "normal browsers out of the box." I've considered setting up a pi-hole at home but never got around to it. Same with browser extensions... Getting the ad blocking without additional effort appeals to my lazy self. :)
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Spending a few minutes downloading, installing, and setting up a new browser is so much quicker than installing an ad blocker in 5 seconds. I believe it
    - radlad 3y ago
      Switching to a new browser seems like far more effort than installing uBlock Origin, and has much further-reaching security/trust ramifications, but to each their own. :)

veidr 3y ago

Me too. I mean I use several browsers at the same time, but Brave has become the "main" browser I use for all my personal browsing (work shit, I leave in Chrome). But the thing is I don't like Brave, either. I don't like the crypto, and I don't like the business model (replace websites' chosen ads with their own ads). And, in that way we judge people whom we don't know personally based on the set of things we do know about them, I don't like Brandon Eich. Nevertheless, for around a year and counting, I use Brave the most because it's just the best browser. It's fast, and blocks a lot more of the shit I don't ever want to see in my browser without me having to configure anything. (I will note that I do have to turn off all sorts of annoying shit in Brave, like the news and the crypto and the "better" ads, but you only have to do that one time and then it syncs across your other devices.) It's funny to me that for web browsers today, blocking things has become arguably more important than rendering things, but there it is. They were the first browser AFAIK to build in blocking for those cunty "we had to smear our web page with feces because of mean old Europe and their GDPR, please please click this to give us permission to let our advertising cabal spy on you using your own hardware" notices. This is another one in that vein. Allowing any and all "unwanted first-party reidentification" is a nonsense default. I get how it happened, that it wasn't designed for the surveillance capitalist hellscape that the web has become, but whatever; inverting the default on that is definitely how I want my browser on my computer to behave. More like this, please.

BrendanEich 3y ago
"replace websites' chosen ads with their own ads" We've never done this. Why do you think we did or would?
- llarsson 3y ago
  Semantic difference. Brave takes away ads from pages. Then, it shows other ads in other ways: https://brave.com/brave-rewards/ https://brave.com/brave-rewards/ https://brave.com/brave-ads/ad-formats/ https://brave.com/brave-ads/ad-formats/ So while the statement that it "replaces ads with their own ads" is technically false (the ads are not injected into the web sites in place of the blocked ones), it's still a sloppy but mostly correct way of pointing out that the business incentive behind Brave's ad blocking means that the goal isn't abolish ads as a concept altogether. The point is still to show ads if companies want to pay for it.
- throwaway81283 3y ago
  Unrelated general request: Please consider looking into the functionality of "I still don't care about cookies", as it blocks more cookie notices than Brave, including Google. Also website redirects would be great for the Desktop Browser (reddit to old reddit, twitter to nitter, etc.), similar to your iOS feature.

keyboardJones 3y ago

Same here. I spread my web browsing between a handful of browsers, but when I want things to “just work”, Brave is my go-to.

qsi 3y ago

I am so used to seeing websites rendered in Brave (both mobile and desktop), that whenever I am forced to use a standard Chrome/Edge/Firefox I am appalled at the experience. The ad bombardment is unrelenting, and I my mental reflexes to tune them out have atrophied to the point where I don't understand how anyone can use the web with a "normal" browser. The crypto stuff I just ignore. Very occasionally a web site will break in Brave but work in Chrome, but those instances are converging to zero based on about 5 years of use.

radlad 3y ago
> I don't understand how anyone can use the web with a "normal" browser. uBlock Origin and Sponsor Block work fine for me. Some use pi-hole or a similar DNS-based solution (I use dns.adguard.com on my phone.)
- qsi 3y ago
  I should have specified "normal browsers out of the box." I've considered setting up a pi-hole at home but never got around to it. Same with browser extensions... Getting the ad blocking without additional effort appeals to my lazy self. :)
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    Spending a few minutes downloading, installing, and setting up a new browser is so much quicker than installing an ad blocker in 5 seconds. I believe it
  - radlad 3y ago
    Switching to a new browser seems like far more effort than installing uBlock Origin, and has much further-reaching security/trust ramifications, but to each their own. :)