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You say "first party telemetry" in a way that makes the reader think you believe "Microsoft just wants to make Windows better." I had a much longer comment, bu

You say "first party telemetry" in a way that makes the reader think you believe "Microsoft just wants to make Windows better." I had a much longer comment, but it eventually detracted from this point: you can't guarantee where that data goes, how it's stored through its life, etc.

PradeetPatel 4y ago
Unlike malware authors, most big tech companies are bound by legal and ethical frameworks regarding data collection, retention, and usage. Inappropriate usage of PII can lead to severe consequences in most western countries.
- GoblinSlayer 4y ago
  American business ethics is nothing to brag about, and their legal framework is basically "by using this service you allow us to do anything we want".
- Our_Benefactors 4y ago
  Do you fully trust these companies to comply with those legal and ethical frameworks? I don’t. It’s a common refrain that paying these fines is a worthy cost of doing business.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  > Inappropriate usage of PII can lead to severe consequences in most western countries. Facebook still being around shows this is just wishful thinking.
- devsda 4y ago
  Legal frameworks that end in settlement costs that amounts to X% of quarterly profit. We can clearly see where the incentives are aligned.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Remember Cambridge Analytica? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
- flerovium 4y ago
  > most big tech companies are ~bound by~ supposed to follow legal and ethical frameworks Also, be careful, the concept of "ethical frameworks" is used by companies to become their own judges and jury.
shkkmo 4y ago
> you can't guarantee where that data goes, how it's stored through its life, etc. Sure, it's definitely a security risk. However there is a strong line betweeen a first party spyware that collects data to sell, and the malware discussed in this article, that was specifically places there to try to steal your credit card or banking info for criminals. I'm fine with legal penalties for the manufacturers in both cases though.

PradeetPatel 4y ago

Unlike malware authors, most big tech companies are bound by legal and ethical frameworks regarding data collection, retention, and usage. Inappropriate usage of PII can lead to severe consequences in most western countries.

GoblinSlayer 4y ago
American business ethics is nothing to brag about, and their legal framework is basically "by using this service you allow us to do anything we want".
Our_Benefactors 4y ago
Do you fully trust these companies to comply with those legal and ethical frameworks? I don’t. It’s a common refrain that paying these fines is a worthy cost of doing business.
Nextgrid 4y ago
> Inappropriate usage of PII can lead to severe consequences in most western countries. Facebook still being around shows this is just wishful thinking.
devsda 4y ago
Legal frameworks that end in settlement costs that amounts to X% of quarterly profit. We can clearly see where the incentives are aligned.
hammyhavoc 4y ago
Remember Cambridge Analytica? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
flerovium 4y ago
> most big tech companies are ~bound by~ supposed to follow legal and ethical frameworks Also, be careful, the concept of "ethical frameworks" is used by companies to become their own judges and jury.

shkkmo 4y ago

> you can't guarantee where that data goes, how it's stored through its life, etc. Sure, it's definitely a security risk. However there is a strong line betweeen a first party spyware that collects data to sell, and the malware discussed in this article, that was specifically places there to try to steal your credit card or banking info for criminals. I'm fine with legal penalties for the manufacturers in both cases though.