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I confess when I was getting a tablet for the family, I was expecting I could find one in the google store. Shockingly, there were no options at the time. And

by taeric 4y ago

I confess when I was getting a tablet for the family, I was expecting I could find one in the google store. Shockingly, there were no options at the time. And, I now confess that I'm not clear I would want to go with their option at this time. I can't bring myself to think this will have a good lifecycle of support. :(

reaperducer 4y ago
I can't bring myself to think this will have a good lifecycle of support. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 73 times, shame on me.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Uh, it gets the same support as Pixel phones do. 3 years of major OS updates, 5 years of security updates.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    3 years is appalling. For something like a tablet I would be expecting 5-6 years major updates.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Better than most Android tablets that never see any updates, security or otherwise, and ship with an old version of Android out of the box. Can you name a better one?
      - Gigachad 4y ago
        No, I can't name a single Android tablet worth buying. It makes no sense to buy one over an iPad, even if you have no other Apple products.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Can the iPad do background sync of third-party file storage services like Nextcloud without having the app open in the first place yet? iOS only just got push notifications for PWAs too. Can't yet sideload on an iPad and are at the mercy of the App Store and the devs keeping up their subscription to keep niche apps up.
        Gigachad 4y ago
        > Can the iPad do background sync of third-party file storage services like Nextcloud without having the app open in the first place yet? Yeah it can. I believe apps get free access to background jobs while the device is plugged in. Not too sure the details but I use Google Photos and the photos seem to background sync fine without me thinking about it. Sideloading is hopefully coming soon with the new EU laws. Though I wouldn't consider it much of a sales point considering the App Store selection is much larger than the Play Store tablet apps + sideloadable options.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        If it has to be plugged in, what good is it as a tablet? People need constant, real-time sync to avoid conflicts and make sure people from the field get their data back to whoever needs it. In the EU. For consumers, can iPad OS do multiple users yet?
        Gigachad 4y ago
        Have a look around, these people out in the field are all using iPads. Somehow they manage. Android tablets are usually given to kids or used as basic retail displays.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Bold of you to assume I don't actively research and keep up with the latest products and OS. iPads are also not uncommonly given to kids too; what kind of counterargument is that? Puerile. The point still remains: the iPad doesn't do what I and others require. If you love the iPad, great, but it's not everything to everyone.
      - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
        An iPad? Seriously, if the comparison is "All these other shit sandwiches have really bad shit, but this shit sandwich only has the freshest shit", maybe it's time to get a different sandwich.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Call me when iPad OS does multiple users in non-enterprise scenarios and supports background sync of third-party apps like Nextcloud on battery and supports sideloading globally without a jailbreak or punishment. The shit sandwich analogy sucks BTW. It's a tool. If you need a screwdriver, why buy a nail gun? If you need x feature and y doesn't offer it, you buy x, even if it isn't supported in the long-term because it's a tool doing work today. I'm not going to accept an iPad as a substitute for what an Android tablet does today for the sake of it getting updates for longer (wtf?), but I might buy an iPad again if Apple ever pull their finger out on features that matter to me. Is it so difficult to accept that x isn't appropriate for you but it is for others? Likewise, is it so difficult to accept that an iPad has major shortcomings and limitations for others? The egocentrism on display is bizarre. If you like the iPad and it works for you, great. I want to like it, it doesn't do what I need.
  - bogwog 4y ago
    So approximately a "Stadia" amount of support

by taeric 4y ago

reaperducer 4y ago

I can't bring myself to think this will have a good lifecycle of support. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 73 times, shame on me.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Uh, it gets the same support as Pixel phones do. 3 years of major OS updates, 5 years of security updates.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  3 years is appalling. For something like a tablet I would be expecting 5-6 years major updates.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    Better than most Android tablets that never see any updates, security or otherwise, and ship with an old version of Android out of the box. Can you name a better one?
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      No, I can't name a single Android tablet worth buying. It makes no sense to buy one over an iPad, even if you have no other Apple products.
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Can the iPad do background sync of third-party file storage services like Nextcloud without having the app open in the first place yet? iOS only just got push notifications for PWAs too. Can't yet sideload on an iPad and are at the mercy of the App Store and the devs keeping up their subscription to keep niche apps up.
        Gigachad 4y ago
        > Can the iPad do background sync of third-party file storage services like Nextcloud without having the app open in the first place yet? Yeah it can. I believe apps get free access to background jobs while the device is plugged in. Not too sure the details but I use Google Photos and the photos seem to background sync fine without me thinking about it. Sideloading is hopefully coming soon with the new EU laws. Though I wouldn't consider it much of a sales point considering the App Store selection is much larger than the Play Store tablet apps + sideloadable options.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        If it has to be plugged in, what good is it as a tablet? People need constant, real-time sync to avoid conflicts and make sure people from the field get their data back to whoever needs it. In the EU. For consumers, can iPad OS do multiple users yet?
        Gigachad 4y ago
        Have a look around, these people out in the field are all using iPads. Somehow they manage. Android tablets are usually given to kids or used as basic retail displays.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Bold of you to assume I don't actively research and keep up with the latest products and OS. iPads are also not uncommonly given to kids too; what kind of counterargument is that? Puerile. The point still remains: the iPad doesn't do what I and others require. If you love the iPad, great, but it's not everything to everyone.
    - hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
      An iPad? Seriously, if the comparison is "All these other shit sandwiches have really bad shit, but this shit sandwich only has the freshest shit", maybe it's time to get a different sandwich.
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Call me when iPad OS does multiple users in non-enterprise scenarios and supports background sync of third-party apps like Nextcloud on battery and supports sideloading globally without a jailbreak or punishment. The shit sandwich analogy sucks BTW. It's a tool. If you need a screwdriver, why buy a nail gun? If you need x feature and y doesn't offer it, you buy x, even if it isn't supported in the long-term because it's a tool doing work today. I'm not going to accept an iPad as a substitute for what an Android tablet does today for the sake of it getting updates for longer (wtf?), but I might buy an iPad again if Apple ever pull their finger out on features that matter to me. Is it so difficult to accept that x isn't appropriate for you but it is for others? Likewise, is it so difficult to accept that an iPad has major shortcomings and limitations for others? The egocentrism on display is bizarre. If you like the iPad and it works for you, great. I want to like it, it doesn't do what I need.
- bogwog 4y ago
  So approximately a "Stadia" amount of support