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Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? How do you suggest the people who move there to pay for the ticket

Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? How do you suggest the people who move there to pay for the tickets? Corporations who pay in exchange for labor? Or governments who pay in exchange for services? If anything that would make them beholden to their employers. > Avoiding all current human laws That is an uncharitable take. He said they should govern in their own terms, not that they should “avoiding all current human laws”. American laws are very similar to British ones, even if Americans refused to be governed by the British ones. If you want to judge his intention according to your bias, be my guest, but nothing he said clearly indicates whatever ideas you think he has, according to this article.

YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
>> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? But those people would be on Mars, entirely dependent even for the air they breathe on the same institutions controlling their debt and making the laws. What kind of protections against abuse would those people have? You might quibble about the terminology of "indentured servitude" but what is described really sounds like a situation that nobody who wouldn't want to be the property of someone else would like to put themselves in.
danaris 3y ago
> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? I didn't say they wouldn't be getting any money. I said they'd be indentured servants. Which they would. Indentured servants aren't slaves. They are beholden to the people or corporation who hold their debt, though—and I have absolutely zero faith that a Mars colony run by Elon Musk would make the life of an indentured servant in his colony look like anything close to the life of someone who paid full price to come. > That is an uncharitable take. You're damn right it's an uncharitable take. I do not believe Elon Musk deserves the benefit of any doubt at this point. He has demonstrated himself to be a despicable human being on a number of accounts—even before he started actively allying himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Let me reiterate, just to be 100% clear: I believe that because of his demonstrated behavior, Elon Musk, unlike nearly anyone else one could name, deserves his statements in articles like this to be treated with the maximum skepticism and interpreted in the least charitable way.

YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago

>> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? But those people would be on Mars, entirely dependent even for the air they breathe on the same institutions controlling their debt and making the laws. What kind of protections against abuse would those people have? You might quibble about the terminology of "indentured servitude" but what is described really sounds like a situation that nobody who wouldn't want to be the property of someone else would like to put themselves in.

danaris 3y ago

> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? I didn't say they wouldn't be getting any money. I said they'd be indentured servants. Which they would. Indentured servants aren't slaves. They are beholden to the people or corporation who hold their debt, though—and I have absolutely zero faith that a Mars colony run by Elon Musk would make the life of an indentured servant in his colony look like anything close to the life of someone who paid full price to come. > That is an uncharitable take. You're damn right it's an uncharitable take. I do not believe Elon Musk deserves the benefit of any doubt at this point. He has demonstrated himself to be a despicable human being on a number of accounts—even before he started actively allying himself with white supremacists and neo-Nazis. Let me reiterate, just to be 100% clear: I believe that because of his demonstrated behavior, Elon Musk, unlike nearly anyone else one could name, deserves his statements in articles like this to be treated with the maximum skepticism and interpreted in the least charitable way.