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Well...they do mess up group chats, and images and other basic features usually don't work the best, so...what's wrong with this criticism? I'm sure Google cou
by lostgame 3y ago
Well...they do mess up group chats, and images and other basic features usually don't work the best, so...what's wrong with this criticism?
I'm sure Google could figure out how to make it play along nicer (they already implemented reactions, so don’t give me bullshit telling me they can’t improve it more) or - better yet, create a more solid alternative.
That's not really Apple's job. They made a superior piece of software and reasonably want to use it to encourage people to their platform.
You might not like it - but it is allowed.
If you'd like the features Apple offers, you're welcome to move to their platform. :P
No different than if you'd legally like to watch Star Wars at home, you'll need Disney+.
Disney isn't somehow required to also offer it on Netflix. :P It's called a feature of the platform. If you'd like that feature, use that platform.
Your cousin doesn't have D+? Well, I guess y'all aren't chatting about the new episode of 'Andor' that dropped that week.
They don't have an iPhone? Guess y'all have to deal with green bubbles.
That's part of how platforms - necessarily - differentiate themselves from one another to encourage users to them, just like console exclusives.
When I was a kid, if you liked Sonic, you had a SEGA. If you liked Mario, you had a Nintendo.
Nobody in the world in the 90’s was expecting a Sonic game on a Nintendo console or vice versa.
I don’t know what changed that people are suddenly freaking out about this, lol.
It shouldn’t have to be explained in a group as highly intelligent as this one that this is simply basic anti-competitive practice.
If iMessage was everywhere it would be a monopoly and y’all would be clamouring for some alternative anyway. :P
There’s literally just no pleasing some of you, lol.
- pathartl 3y agoGroup chats are fine as long as other people in the group are using Android. Yes, this is how ridiculous the Apple ecosystem sounds from the outside.
- CharlesW 3y agoiPhone user here. Nearly all the group chats I’m in include Android users. It works fine.
- nickthegreek 3y agountil someone sends a video.
- CharlesW 3y agoMMS supports video, just very poorly, so one makes that mistake once and then learns to send links to YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, or whatever. IMHO that's vastly preferable anyway.
- similetimes 3y ago[dead]
- lostgame 3y agoMakes total and complete sense, and seems absolutely anti-ridiculous. Group chats also work fine if we’re all using Messenger - group chats work just fine if we are all using Signal - it’s almost as if software works as expected if it’s being used as expected. Mind blowing, I know. There is no other major chat platform that offers interoperability with services the platform owner does not own. (Messenger and Instagram just got some sort of interoperability, but since they are both Meta properties, it only helps prove my point.) What’s beyond ridiculous is to expect a SEGA Genesis cartridge to just run, unmodified on an SNES, which is what you’re demanding, here. Yeah, a group game of Super Mario Kart 64 works awesomely on an actual N64 with a real cartridge and four controllers - but hey, why doesn’t it work the same on my PS1? Well, fuck Nintendo for not opening up their game to other platforms! They have awful business practices! … …now that’s ridiculous shit, and what you’re almost literally saying; word for word, just with different hardware and software. (The PS1 doesn’t even have 4 controller ports out of the box, even if it could run N64 software unmodified. The PS1 also had its own exclusives and benefits, such as Final Fantasy 7. Both platforms had their advantages and disadvantages. The N64 was far more powerful, but was hampered by cartridges, whereas the PS1 used CD media and could store much more, but push far less polygons.) Why on Earth would it be Nintendo’s responsibility to make sure Kart 64 plays great on a PS1? Isn’t half the point of a first party software release (either Kart 64 or iMessage) to provide a reason for users/players to choose that platform instead of whichever alternative? Should GarageBand/Logic or iMovie/Final Cut suddenly be ported to Windows or Linux as well? At what point does the ridiculous demand for interoperability stop? What do you want, only one monopolistic set of hardware and software for everything?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoiMessage is an encrypted, closed protocol. So not only would Google have to reverse engineer the protocol, they may have to steal some keys, too.
- Retric 3y agoOr they could actually release better messaging software which people would have adapted.
- monkeynotes 3y agoRCS is good enough to replace key functionality of iMessage and it's a protocol anyone can adopt. I am very satisfied with RCS on Android.
- jandrewrogers 3y agoAny messaging protocol that puts the mobile telecoms as the operator and man-in-the-middle, like RCS, is a terrible idea. It would be like putting Comcast in charge of the Internet. I can think of few companies I trust less with critical app infrastructure.
- monkeynotes 3y agoErm, SMS has been solid for decades. RCS is end to end encrypted. It's not a "terrible" idea and it's nothing like putting Comcast in charge of the internet, that's just hyperbole.
- wkat4242 3y agoIt's still a protocol that was designed specifically to have the Telco take an active role in the message handling again, something that they lost with the decline of SMS. Personally I'm very happy for my Telco to just be a dumb pipe that supplies internet bits. Especially because that means I can get at my bits anywhere, not just on blessed networks. They're not however, they want lucrative "value add" features. Features that will have all sorts of strings attached. But anyway, luckily RCS is dead. I'm not sure how they thought marketing "RCS" against WhatsApp could possibly work. Sure SMS was also a complex acronym but it only took off because there was nothing else. Acronyms are eschewed now by the mainstream. And even as a tech person I'm really happy not having to say "double you double you double you" anymore.
- politelemon 3y agoUnsure if you're being obtuse or sarcastic. However in case this is an actual reply, there are a lot of things wrong with it - they produce a closed ecosystem and deliberately hobble interoperability. These kinds of tactics are called platform abuse, but they have also conditioned a sizeable chunk of the population to consider it, and the ensuing behaviors, completely acceptable and moral. If anything, users should be asking for better interoperability, but the fact that I regularly see comments like yours makes me realize that their corporate brainwashing is successful, and secondly, glad that I do not live in that country.
- nemothekid 3y agoWhat I think is missed in this conversation is that this behavior seems to be almost exclusive to America as the rest of the world has moved onto WhatsApp. The "blue bubble" rants, to me are like complaining that google's messenger doesn't work with WhatsApp. I'm not sympathetic to Google here. They shit the bed on messaging for years, and now Apple must open up.
- pb7 3y agoA few questions: 1) Who is being abused? The platform? Can you elaborate? 2) Can you give an example of the corporate brainwashing you’re referring to? 3) What are you glad about specifically?
- Klonoar 3y agoIt is not corporate brainwashing to simply want shit to “just work”. OP is rightfully pointing out that this is Google’s problem to solve.
- vetinari 3y agoWhy it would be it only Google's problem to solve? There are several companies that already solved it, the world moved on, but only certain groups are harping on Apple and Google, nothing else. Why? Just use something else, Whatsapp, Signal, Telegram, they all work beautifully and are significantly popular.
- Reptur 3y agoCannot tell if this is satire. But if you're serious: https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/8/23343336/apple-tim-cook-imessage-blue-green-bubbles-texting-rcs https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/8/23343336/apple-tim-cook-im... This issue only exists because Apple stubbornly refuses to join the standard because showcasing how bad Android functions in iPhone Group chats sells iPhones. If they joined, everyone would have the same functionality, but basing the decision purely on money means that'll never happen.
- monkeynotes 3y ago> I'm sure Google could figure out how to make it play along nicer. Nope, Apple intentionally blocks anything like this to encourage people to buy iPhones. Basically what is happening is intentional.
- _ea1k 3y agoApple's messaging protocol makes that impossible. It is intentional vendor lockin.