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See, the idea of exploring and colonizing Mars is not a bad one. But from everything Elon has said on the subject, it's very clear that what he means when he t

See, the idea of exploring and colonizing Mars is not a bad one. But from everything Elon has said on the subject, it's very clear that what he means when he talks about it and what I mean when I talk about it are not the same thing. What I mean when I say "exploring and colonizing Mars": - Do basic scientific research to understand Mars better - Learn how to better survive in environments that are hostile to human life - Work toward being able to create fully self-sustaining colonies of humans offworld, as an (eventual) hedge against problems on Earth (eg, massive meteor strike, nuclear winter, etc) What Elon Musk means when he says "exploring and colonizing Mars": - Setting up in a place where no human laws reach - Bringing indentured servants along so that he and his wealthy friends will have people they can effectively own - Making a fully stratified society with himself as the highest stratum

yamtaddle 4y ago
> What Elon Musk means when he says "exploring and colonizing Mars": > - Setting up in a place where no human laws reach > - Bringing indentured servants along so that he and his wealthy friends will have people they can effectively own > - Making a fully stratified society with himself as the highest stratum This is probably some variety of horrible -ism but I gotta say that the more exposure I have to expat white South Africans the more I think they shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of... anything. Like you start talking and it's just a matter of time before certain things start to come out.
- ctoth 4y ago
  So... Because someone else who clearly doesn't like the guy put words in his mouth sans any citation, you think that "expat white South Africans the more I think they shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of... anything." How is any of this thread reasonable?
DoreenMichele 4y ago
Is there a succinct source that backs this assertion up? For my edification as someone who has no idea who you are and has paid almost no attention to Elon Musk and his delusions of someday living on Mars but is going "If this is true: light bulb moment!"
- danaris 4y ago
  Sadly, no—this is based on a relatively distant observation of various tweets and other statements by and about Musk over the course of the past few years.
  - DoreenMichele 4y ago
    Thank you.
signatoremo 4y ago
> But from everything Elon has said on the subject, it's very clear that what he means when he talks about it and what I mean when I talk about it are not the same thing. Not my recollection. This article is a good summary: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-mars-city-codex https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-mars-city-codex The article went back to some of his presentations far back.
- danaris 4y ago
  Er...did you read that? > People interested in moving to Mars could pay for their flight with a loan. Once there, people would be able to pay off the loan by working in anything from iron foundries to pizzerias. Indentured servitude. > This city would be free to govern itself on its own terms, as indicated by the Starlink internet service terms and conditions released in October 2020. This appears to stand in contradiction to the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which states that the launch origin country is responsible for subsequent space activities. Avoiding all current human laws.
  - signatoremo 4y ago
    Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? How do you suggest the people who move there to pay for the tickets? Corporations who pay in exchange for labor? Or governments who pay in exchange for services? If anything that would make them beholden to their employers. > Avoiding all current human laws That is an uncharitable take. He said they should govern in their own terms, not that they should “avoiding all current human laws”. American laws are very similar to British ones, even if Americans refused to be governed by the British ones. If you want to judge his intention according to your bias, be my guest, but nothing he said clearly indicates whatever ideas you think he has, according to this article.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
      >> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? But those people would be on Mars, entirely dependent even for the air they breathe on the same institutions controlling their debt and making the laws. What kind of protections against abuse would those people have? You might quibble about the terminology of "indentured servitude" but what is described really sounds like a situation that nobody who wouldn't want to be the property of someone else would like to put themselves in.

yamtaddle 4y ago

> What Elon Musk means when he says "exploring and colonizing Mars": > - Setting up in a place where no human laws reach > - Bringing indentured servants along so that he and his wealthy friends will have people they can effectively own > - Making a fully stratified society with himself as the highest stratum This is probably some variety of horrible -ism but I gotta say that the more exposure I have to expat white South Africans the more I think they shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of... anything. Like you start talking and it's just a matter of time before certain things start to come out.

ctoth 4y ago
So... Because someone else who clearly doesn't like the guy put words in his mouth sans any citation, you think that "expat white South Africans the more I think they shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of... anything." How is any of this thread reasonable?

DoreenMichele 4y ago

Is there a succinct source that backs this assertion up? For my edification as someone who has no idea who you are and has paid almost no attention to Elon Musk and his delusions of someday living on Mars but is going "If this is true: light bulb moment!"

danaris 4y ago
Sadly, no—this is based on a relatively distant observation of various tweets and other statements by and about Musk over the course of the past few years.
- DoreenMichele 4y ago
  Thank you.

signatoremo 4y ago

> But from everything Elon has said on the subject, it's very clear that what he means when he talks about it and what I mean when I talk about it are not the same thing. Not my recollection. This article is a good summary: https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-mars-city-codex https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-mars-city-codex The article went back to some of his presentations far back.

danaris 4y ago
Er...did you read that? > People interested in moving to Mars could pay for their flight with a loan. Once there, people would be able to pay off the loan by working in anything from iron foundries to pizzerias. Indentured servitude. > This city would be free to govern itself on its own terms, as indicated by the Starlink internet service terms and conditions released in October 2020. This appears to stand in contradiction to the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which states that the launch origin country is responsible for subsequent space activities. Avoiding all current human laws.
- signatoremo 4y ago
  Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? How do you suggest the people who move there to pay for the tickets? Corporations who pay in exchange for labor? Or governments who pay in exchange for services? If anything that would make them beholden to their employers. > Avoiding all current human laws That is an uncharitable take. He said they should govern in their own terms, not that they should “avoiding all current human laws”. American laws are very similar to British ones, even if Americans refused to be governed by the British ones. If you want to judge his intention according to your bias, be my guest, but nothing he said clearly indicates whatever ideas you think he has, according to this article.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
    >> Working to pay off loans doesn’t mean they won’t have salary. You’ve had loans, haven’t you? But those people would be on Mars, entirely dependent even for the air they breathe on the same institutions controlling their debt and making the laws. What kind of protections against abuse would those people have? You might quibble about the terminology of "indentured servitude" but what is described really sounds like a situation that nobody who wouldn't want to be the property of someone else would like to put themselves in.