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I think the core issue is: * People don't like ads, because ads suck * Youtube offers premium, an ad-less experience Never have I seen self-entitled people so

I think the core issue is: * People don't like ads, because ads suck * Youtube offers premium, an ad-less experience Never have I seen self-entitled people so furious as when YT requests they buy premium in order to remove ads. What, should YT be hosted for free without ads and without a subscription? I get that ads suck and companies suck, but self-entitled people suck too; most of us here are devs and we get paid because our company has to make money _somehow_. YT users have two great options for paying for their access, dealing with ads or paying a subscription. They refuse either option and instead are furious that YT doesn't offer itself completely for free.

mitchdoogle 3y ago
I don't like ads and I don't mind paying. What I don't like is paying for an ad-free experience and my data continuing to get mined. I consider companies entitled if they demand to have both my data and my money
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YoshiRulz 3y ago
> YT users have two great options for paying for their access, dealing with ads or paying a subscription. I wouldn't say it offers 2 great options. The ad-funded offering is a non-starter given the reality of its ad market. The paid option sounds great, but if the goal is to finance the creators you enjoy most, it doesn't work. The success of Nebula, plus several of YouTube's policy changes or lack thereof, imply that YouTube doesn't actually care, it's just driven by greed.
aio2 3y ago
Don't forgot data mining is a very profitable industry.
Broken_Hippo 3y ago
Youtube is part of the reason I have an adblock. I do not watch youtube on my phone because of the ads. Reasonable ads would be fine. 10-15 seconds of ad on a short video, 30 seconds on a longer one. A choice to watch a 3 minute ad to watch a 2 hour video uninterrupted. I kind of long for the banners of days gone by. But that's not what is going on. They'll play an ad in the middle of a music video. ad after ad after ad. And I get ads in videos because they are "sponsored". It has been designed to be as intrusive as possible to try to extort you out of money. And honestly, I despite them for this. If they can't possibly let music play for 4 minutes without an interruption or two, they can't possibly care if I'm watching for "free" nor care about the folks making their content.
account42 3y ago
> What, should YT be hosted for free without ads and without a subscription? Yes, same way you don't need a subscription to walk along a road.
- fennecfoxy 3y ago
  As another commenter said, roads are paid for with taxes, usually a special road tax collected from car-owning citizens, sometimes even from the specific area the road is in. I hope you pay your taxes. What a ridiculous comparison, though. Like, really? If I were to use the same logic surely I could just walk into your own house and just live there free of charge. You cook my meals and clean up for me too, thanks. Oh wait, that's absurd.
- dabluecaboose 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure thats called "taxes"

mitchdoogle 3y ago

I don't like ads and I don't mind paying. What I don't like is paying for an ad-free experience and my data continuing to get mined. I consider companies entitled if they demand to have both my data and my money

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YoshiRulz 3y ago

> YT users have two great options for paying for their access, dealing with ads or paying a subscription. I wouldn't say it offers 2 great options. The ad-funded offering is a non-starter given the reality of its ad market. The paid option sounds great, but if the goal is to finance the creators you enjoy most, it doesn't work. The success of Nebula, plus several of YouTube's policy changes or lack thereof, imply that YouTube doesn't actually care, it's just driven by greed.

aio2 3y ago

Don't forgot data mining is a very profitable industry.

Broken_Hippo 3y ago

Youtube is part of the reason I have an adblock. I do not watch youtube on my phone because of the ads. Reasonable ads would be fine. 10-15 seconds of ad on a short video, 30 seconds on a longer one. A choice to watch a 3 minute ad to watch a 2 hour video uninterrupted. I kind of long for the banners of days gone by. But that's not what is going on. They'll play an ad in the middle of a music video. ad after ad after ad. And I get ads in videos because they are "sponsored". It has been designed to be as intrusive as possible to try to extort you out of money. And honestly, I despite them for this. If they can't possibly let music play for 4 minutes without an interruption or two, they can't possibly care if I'm watching for "free" nor care about the folks making their content.

account42 3y ago

> What, should YT be hosted for free without ads and without a subscription? Yes, same way you don't need a subscription to walk along a road.

fennecfoxy 3y ago
As another commenter said, roads are paid for with taxes, usually a special road tax collected from car-owning citizens, sometimes even from the specific area the road is in. I hope you pay your taxes. What a ridiculous comparison, though. Like, really? If I were to use the same logic surely I could just walk into your own house and just live there free of charge. You cook my meals and clean up for me too, thanks. Oh wait, that's absurd.
dabluecaboose 3y ago
I'm pretty sure thats called "taxes"