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If anything lack of respirators saved lives. With hindsight we now know that putting people on respirator was actually the thing that killed them - not COVID. A

If anything lack of respirators saved lives. With hindsight we now know that putting people on respirator was actually the thing that killed them - not COVID. All this hospital heroic in New York and around the country was huge mistake and most people who were in hospital at the time should have stayed home. On lockdowns - you have to do them 100% (China, Australia, New Zealand) or just give up. Half measures just do not make sense - you get a lot of pain with very little to show for it. For US specifically 100% lockdown was never an option - building wall with machine gun encampment to stop movement on both Canadian and Mexican border was not feasible, definitely not on timeline of days or at most weeks. In the end Fauci, NIH, and medical establishment etc just made zero difference to COVID or COVID deaths. Missed school and ballooned debt are the only legacy of their efforts.

foobarian 3y ago
> With hindsight we now know that putting people on respirator was actually the thing that killed them - not COVID. Do you have links on this? I'd love to know more.
- op00to 3y ago
  Of course they don't. This is nonsense. There are studies that said "if you were on mechanical ventilation early on in the pandemic, you were highly likely to die". Oh my! Ventilators sound bad, right? Doctors were reserving ventilators for the most critically ill people that needed them. The same patients who were most likely to die (ill, old, etc) from COVID were put on ventilators. It wasn't the ventilators, it was the god damned virus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7682899/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7682899/
- dfadsadsf 3y ago
  Hospitals put people on respirator who should have never been on it and then in New York in 2020 it was compounded by sever lack of nurses which led to shoddy care - essentially intubated and sedated patients were on their own with no help or monitoring. Relatives were not allowed in. When you are on respirator you have few days to recover and then you are starting to die due to lung damage - and 3-7 days were not enough to fight COVID so people just died. The same people would have been fine and recovered from COVID on their own. To be fair, doctors noticed it fairly quickly (but too late for New York) and now usage of respirators for COVID is much much rarer. My guess nobody talks or highlights blunders of New York because it goes against doctors/nurses are heroes of COVID mantra and not very relevant to current debates on COVID. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...
pupppet 3y ago
Oh god help us, the HN tech bros believe they're doctors now.
- psubhuman 3y ago
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foobarian 3y ago

> With hindsight we now know that putting people on respirator was actually the thing that killed them - not COVID. Do you have links on this? I'd love to know more.

op00to 3y ago
Of course they don't. This is nonsense. There are studies that said "if you were on mechanical ventilation early on in the pandemic, you were highly likely to die". Oh my! Ventilators sound bad, right? Doctors were reserving ventilators for the most critically ill people that needed them. The same patients who were most likely to die (ill, old, etc) from COVID were put on ventilators. It wasn't the ventilators, it was the god damned virus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7682899/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7682899/
dfadsadsf 3y ago
Hospitals put people on respirator who should have never been on it and then in New York in 2020 it was compounded by sever lack of nurses which led to shoddy care - essentially intubated and sedated patients were on their own with no help or monitoring. Relatives were not allowed in. When you are on respirator you have few days to recover and then you are starting to die due to lung damage - and 3-7 days were not enough to fight COVID so people just died. The same people would have been fine and recovered from COVID on their own. To be fair, doctors noticed it fairly quickly (but too late for New York) and now usage of respirators for COVID is much much rarer. My guess nobody talks or highlights blunders of New York because it goes against doctors/nurses are heroes of COVID mantra and not very relevant to current debates on COVID. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUSKCN2251PE https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ventil...

pupppet 3y ago

Oh god help us, the HN tech bros believe they're doctors now.

psubhuman 3y ago
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