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Whatever happens, I don't think people will tolerate another lockdown ever again for at least two generations. I know in florida there could be literally airbo

Whatever happens, I don't think people will tolerate another lockdown ever again for at least two generations. I know in florida there could be literally airborn aids and people will still go out and live life, myself included. COVID lockdowns were a test of how much the government could push without backlash. I feel so badly for the kids that lost their last two years of high school for what?

kfrzcode 3y ago
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- sergiotapia 3y ago
  Oh yes, certain countries are just in the toilet psychologically speaking. Australia, Canada, etc. I was speaking mainly about the US. I know for a fact Florida will never tolerate those measures again.
- diuddnbsb 3y ago
  hey so im really curious do you actually believe Trudeau is a communist? i was speaking to a Canadian guy I work with and he seems to actually believe that
  - transcriptase 3y ago
    Aspiring authoritarian is a more apt description. The country has very real problems (housing, inflation, immigration, money laundering, health care) that get little attention, while his government focuses on regulating the internet, protecting friendly oligopolies that dominate our economy, and banning firearms while limiting debate and lying to the public every step of the way. And I say this as someone who voted for him, or rather voted for who he appeared to be early on.
pupppet 3y ago
For what? I dunno, to prevent overflowing hospitals from having to turn people away because everyone who ‘did their research’ conveniently start trusting doctors again when they get a bad case.
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zamnos 3y ago
airborne aids isn't the doomsday scenario, airborne ebola is.
- ngai_aku 3y ago
  I just finished listening to _The Hot Zone_, and that virus is truly scary.
jjoonathan 3y ago
Are you forgetting that the lockdowns had to happen because authorities (Trump, not CDC) pissed away a month of exponential growth doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on "ignore it and it will go away" instead of jumping on measures to reduce Rt? They only blinked when faced with the imminent prospect of having hospitals spill out into parking lots full of people slowly dying for want of a respirator. The pandemic was incompetently managed, but "ignore COVID harder" is the exact brand of incompetence that made the pandemic worse than it had to be.
- secondcoming 3y ago
  If it was Trump's fault, why was most of the developed world in lockdown too?
  - barbazoo 3y ago
    The degree of how locked down one was and for how long varied greatly depending on where you were.
    - School-Cotton 3y ago
      The lockdown was significantly worse in most European countries than in the US for a long time.
- sergiotapia 3y ago
  "Worse for who?" is the question a lot of people should have asked. I'm not responding to this thread anymore. People are still cultish about this discussion.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    Worse for everyone. It's absolutely wild that you think elementary public health is a conspiracy.
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arcbyte 3y ago
Florida did lockdowns right. They flattened the curve and then managed limited social resources. Many other states just went into irrational and indefinite Long term lockdowns. Illinois for instance was locked down for months and months despite having enourmous hospital capacity - the lack of which was the whole reason for entering the lockdown in the first place. It just didn't make sense after a while except as a political tool. Early on there was a lot of metrics-driven decision making, and metrics changed as new information came to light. That was good. Florida would still lockdown if done in that light - not without bellyaching but yes it would. When the metrics go out the window so too would Florida's compliance.
- bfung 3y ago
  The death rate per capita seems to suggest Florida probably could’ve done better. 20th highest death per capita out of the 50 states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_final/COVID19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_...
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  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Doesn't Florida have lots of elderly people?
    - op00to 3y ago
      Aren't elderly people entitled to life?
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        Covid mainly was a threat to life for the elderly. I'd be curious to see a covid death by state chart side by side with the states average age. If Florida has more elderly a middle of the pack performance might be exceptional. If you contrasted nursing home covid deaths to high school covid deaths you'd see high schools "did better", but that probably has nothing to do with policy.
fullshark 3y ago
Fear gets your population to largely go along with horrendous gov't actions. I've seen it twice in my life, America's actions post 9/11 and COVID lockdowns. Terror over nuclear annihilation from the USSR allowed western gov'ts to fight Korean/Vietnam war with drafted citizens also. If that fear returns then the population will go along with whatever terrible intervention is proposed, at least until that fear dissipates.
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whywhywhywhy 3y ago
>Whatever happens, I don't think people will tolerate another lockdown ever again for at least two generations. Some wont, but some people actually miss it and it was the best thing that ever happened to them.

kfrzcode 3y ago

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sergiotapia 3y ago
Oh yes, certain countries are just in the toilet psychologically speaking. Australia, Canada, etc. I was speaking mainly about the US. I know for a fact Florida will never tolerate those measures again.
diuddnbsb 3y ago
hey so im really curious do you actually believe Trudeau is a communist? i was speaking to a Canadian guy I work with and he seems to actually believe that
- transcriptase 3y ago
  Aspiring authoritarian is a more apt description. The country has very real problems (housing, inflation, immigration, money laundering, health care) that get little attention, while his government focuses on regulating the internet, protecting friendly oligopolies that dominate our economy, and banning firearms while limiting debate and lying to the public every step of the way. And I say this as someone who voted for him, or rather voted for who he appeared to be early on.

pupppet 3y ago

For what? I dunno, to prevent overflowing hospitals from having to turn people away because everyone who ‘did their research’ conveniently start trusting doctors again when they get a bad case.

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zamnos 3y ago

airborne aids isn't the doomsday scenario, airborne ebola is.

ngai_aku 3y ago
I just finished listening to _The Hot Zone_, and that virus is truly scary.

jjoonathan 3y ago

Are you forgetting that the lockdowns had to happen because authorities (Trump, not CDC) pissed away a month of exponential growth doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on "ignore it and it will go away" instead of jumping on measures to reduce Rt? They only blinked when faced with the imminent prospect of having hospitals spill out into parking lots full of people slowly dying for want of a respirator. The pandemic was incompetently managed, but "ignore COVID harder" is the exact brand of incompetence that made the pandemic worse than it had to be.

secondcoming 3y ago
If it was Trump's fault, why was most of the developed world in lockdown too?
- barbazoo 3y ago
  The degree of how locked down one was and for how long varied greatly depending on where you were.
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    The lockdown was significantly worse in most European countries than in the US for a long time.
sergiotapia 3y ago
"Worse for who?" is the question a lot of people should have asked. I'm not responding to this thread anymore. People are still cultish about this discussion.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  Worse for everyone. It's absolutely wild that you think elementary public health is a conspiracy.
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arcbyte 3y ago

Florida did lockdowns right. They flattened the curve and then managed limited social resources. Many other states just went into irrational and indefinite Long term lockdowns. Illinois for instance was locked down for months and months despite having enourmous hospital capacity - the lack of which was the whole reason for entering the lockdown in the first place. It just didn't make sense after a while except as a political tool. Early on there was a lot of metrics-driven decision making, and metrics changed as new information came to light. That was good. Florida would still lockdown if done in that light - not without bellyaching but yes it would. When the metrics go out the window so too would Florida's compliance.

bfung 3y ago
The death rate per capita seems to suggest Florida probably could’ve done better. 20th highest death per capita out of the 50 states. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_final/COVID19.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/covid19_mortality_...
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- willcipriano 3y ago
  Doesn't Florida have lots of elderly people?
  - op00to 3y ago
    Aren't elderly people entitled to life?
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Covid mainly was a threat to life for the elderly. I'd be curious to see a covid death by state chart side by side with the states average age. If Florida has more elderly a middle of the pack performance might be exceptional. If you contrasted nursing home covid deaths to high school covid deaths you'd see high schools "did better", but that probably has nothing to do with policy.

fullshark 3y ago

Fear gets your population to largely go along with horrendous gov't actions. I've seen it twice in my life, America's actions post 9/11 and COVID lockdowns. Terror over nuclear annihilation from the USSR allowed western gov'ts to fight Korean/Vietnam war with drafted citizens also. If that fear returns then the population will go along with whatever terrible intervention is proposed, at least until that fear dissipates.

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whywhywhywhy 3y ago

>Whatever happens, I don't think people will tolerate another lockdown ever again for at least two generations. Some wont, but some people actually miss it and it was the best thing that ever happened to them.