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But that’s kinda their point… you spend time configuring the framework instead of reimplementing from scratch and doing the plumbing yourself.

• gumballindie 4y ago
  The issue is that there is so much configuration that it’s basically coding. PHP frameworks are all bloat. It would have been much better to abstract things in a way that you actually spend time on features not thousands of configs.
  • liveoneggs 4y ago
    Then use lumen, it comes with laravel.
    • gumballindie 4y ago
      Nah, I’ll use python or other proper languages, thanks.
      • lelanthran 4y ago
        > Nah, I’ll use python or other proper languages, thanks. Python is no more "proper" than PHP as a language. In fact, they're both identical as far as footguns go.
    • ceejayoz 3y ago
      https://lumen.laravel.com/docs/10.x https://lumen.laravel.com/docs/10.x > Note: In the years since releasing Lumen, PHP has made a variety of wonderful performance improvements. For this reason, along with the availability of Laravel Octane, we no longer recommend that you begin new projects with Lumen. Instead, we recommend always beginning new projects with Laravel.