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In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment i

by ant6n 3y ago

In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. In Germany you can get 6 months of unemployment insurance when starting a startup out of unemployment. Or get 6 months paid when starting a startup out of Uni. Then you could get various public funding opportunities like a startup bonus (for example 50K public funding for 50K private investment in an innovative company in Berlin).

asnyder 3y ago
Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!
- nxm 3y ago
  *free=tax payer funded
- FinnKuhn 3y ago
  Definitely not really true. Under 15% of students receive BAFÖG [1]. No idea where you got the idea that German students get free housing at many Universities as that couldn't be further from the truth considering that there are only enough rooms for around 10% of all students [2] and those are definietly not free, although pretty cheap. However many struggle to find an Apartment, especially in bigger Cities like Berlin or Munich. [1] https://www.bafoeg-rechner.de/Hintergrund/art-2416-bafoeg-statistik-2019.php https://www.bafoeg-rechner.de/Hintergrund/art-2416-bafoeg-st... [2] https://www.iwd.de/artikel/wohnungsnot-der-studenten-verschaerft-sich-weiter-499592/ https://www.iwd.de/artikel/wohnungsnot-der-studenten-verscha...
  - asnyder 3y ago
    I said many, not all :). You're right, housing isn't free, but if you get student housing it's usually less than the monthly stipend thus free for the student.
    - FinnKuhn 3y ago
      not really. The average monthly stipend (that only 15% even get) is 579€, which is arguable not enough for rent in most bigger Cities (and that is ignoring that you also need to eat). The vast majority of students are either financed by their parents (the stipend is dependent on their income and if they earn more than a certain amount they a legally obligated to help their child) or by themselves. In Germany the university is mostly free (a couple hundred euros a semester), but most definitely don't live for "free".
- 6510 3y ago
  IMHO it is the worse time to start a startup. You should do it while still in the uni so that you can get all kinds of help. Equally good seems some actual experience(?) People have been writing software and running businesses for a good while. Maybe they know something?
p0nce 3y ago
Amazingly I did that for 3.5 years at 70% pay, I think the law changed after that. It is the biggest "incubator" in the country.
bujak300 3y ago
Do you possibly have more specific information about france? I would love to know more
- sofixa 3y ago
  There are a few different things: You can get a part of what you would receive as unemployment benefits as capital to invest when creating/taking over a company: https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F15252 https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F15252 And you can also just continue receiving unemployment benefits while creating a company, as long as revenues are below a certain threshold: https://www.legalstart.fr/fiches-pratiques/autoentrepreneur/auto-entrepreneur-cumul-chomage/ https://www.legalstart.fr/fiches-pratiques/autoentrepreneur/...
RestlessMind 3y ago
> In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. Then why does France have such a low rate of new business formation (5.3/1000 people) - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IC.BUS.NDNS.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=false https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IC.BUS.NDNS.ZS?most_rec... Or as another indicator, number of tech startups per Million is 234 for the US, while only 24 for France - https://www.startupranking.com/countries https://www.startupranking.com/countries
- ouiouiaway2 3y ago
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  - hef19898 3y ago
    Isn't the currently richest person on earth French?
  - RestlessMind 3y ago
    > Because the French couldn't give a fuck about making money. citation needed. I have met a lot of French people and they just seem normal human beings like any other nation. So I disagree with you.
    - ouiouiaway2 3y ago
      Talk to those in the countryside, not Île-de-France. Real French; not the over-socialized urbanites or the spiritually-deadened "cosmopolitans."
      - RestlessMind 3y ago
        I am convinced that you are a troll if you think people living in Ile-de-France are not real French.
        ouiouiaway2 3y ago
iancmceachern 3y ago
I was told they they just stopped this policy

by ant6n 3y ago

asnyder 3y ago

Not to mention that in Germany many University students not only get free schooling, but also housing AND a monthly stipend. Essentially UBI for students!

nxm 3y ago
*free=tax payer funded
FinnKuhn 3y ago
Definitely not really true. Under 15% of students receive BAFÖG [1]. No idea where you got the idea that German students get free housing at many Universities as that couldn't be further from the truth considering that there are only enough rooms for around 10% of all students [2] and those are definietly not free, although pretty cheap. However many struggle to find an Apartment, especially in bigger Cities like Berlin or Munich. [1] https://www.bafoeg-rechner.de/Hintergrund/art-2416-bafoeg-statistik-2019.php https://www.bafoeg-rechner.de/Hintergrund/art-2416-bafoeg-st... [2] https://www.iwd.de/artikel/wohnungsnot-der-studenten-verschaerft-sich-weiter-499592/ https://www.iwd.de/artikel/wohnungsnot-der-studenten-verscha...
- asnyder 3y ago
  I said many, not all :). You're right, housing isn't free, but if you get student housing it's usually less than the monthly stipend thus free for the student.
  - FinnKuhn 3y ago
    not really. The average monthly stipend (that only 15% even get) is 579€, which is arguable not enough for rent in most bigger Cities (and that is ignoring that you also need to eat). The vast majority of students are either financed by their parents (the stipend is dependent on their income and if they earn more than a certain amount they a legally obligated to help their child) or by themselves. In Germany the university is mostly free (a couple hundred euros a semester), but most definitely don't live for "free".
6510 3y ago
IMHO it is the worse time to start a startup. You should do it while still in the uni so that you can get all kinds of help. Equally good seems some actual experience(?) People have been writing software and running businesses for a good while. Maybe they know something?

p0nce 3y ago

Amazingly I did that for 3.5 years at 70% pay, I think the law changed after that. It is the biggest "incubator" in the country.

bujak300 3y ago

Do you possibly have more specific information about france? I would love to know more

sofixa 3y ago
There are a few different things: You can get a part of what you would receive as unemployment benefits as capital to invest when creating/taking over a company: https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F15252 https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F15252 And you can also just continue receiving unemployment benefits while creating a company, as long as revenues are below a certain threshold: https://www.legalstart.fr/fiches-pratiques/autoentrepreneur/auto-entrepreneur-cumul-chomage/ https://www.legalstart.fr/fiches-pratiques/autoentrepreneur/...

RestlessMind 3y ago

> In France, apparently you can go on unemployment for 2, up to 3 years to start a startup. With up to 80% pay. Then why does France have such a low rate of new business formation (5.3/1000 people) - https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IC.BUS.NDNS.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=false https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IC.BUS.NDNS.ZS?most_rec... Or as another indicator, number of tech startups per Million is 234 for the US, while only 24 for France - https://www.startupranking.com/countries https://www.startupranking.com/countries

ouiouiaway2 3y ago
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- hef19898 3y ago
  Isn't the currently richest person on earth French?
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  > Because the French couldn't give a fuck about making money. citation needed. I have met a lot of French people and they just seem normal human beings like any other nation. So I disagree with you.
  - ouiouiaway2 3y ago
    Talk to those in the countryside, not Île-de-France. Real French; not the over-socialized urbanites or the spiritually-deadened "cosmopolitans."
    - RestlessMind 3y ago
      I am convinced that you are a troll if you think people living in Ile-de-France are not real French.
      - ouiouiaway2 3y ago

iancmceachern 3y ago

I was told they they just stopped this policy