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That boarding process seems so great. Right now literally prefer a 12 hour drive to a one hour flight. The whole process is exhausting and stressful.

q87b 3y ago
It's probably better for our habitable ecosystem though so in a backwards way anything that makes plane travel less of a convenient no-brainer is good.
quacked 3y ago
> prefer a 12 hour drive to a one hour flight I'm right there with you. I'd go as far as 14 hour drive before I start thinking I should fly instead. It wasn't always like this, flying was bearable even as far back as 2002-2008 even counting the post-9/11 stuff. I think a most of it has to do with cost-cutting. The second they find an efficiency they cut staff and hire cheaper workers. The whole culture around airports, even expensive ones, has started to resemble bus stations.
toadi 3y ago
Exactly I live 600km from the capital. 1 hour flight. Still takes me more then half a day to get to my destination. I ride my motorcycle most of the times 6 hours door to door. With pit stops on the way. Trains are slow here but I take the sleep train. Get on train 10pm go to sleep and arrive at 5am in the morning :) I prefer these latter 2 over flying.
- enos-ape 3y ago
  One more reason to just invest more in good high speed train infrastructure. https://www.chronotrains.com/?zoom=4.4&lng=4.85&lat=49.23&stationId=8700010 https://www.chronotrains.com/?zoom=4.4&lng=4.85&lat=49.23&st...
  - llampx 3y ago
    It would only take a couple of terrorist incidences on the train to make the experience as painful as flying already is.
    - usrusr 3y ago
      Trains can be and have been blown up. But that's mostly harmless compared to the horrors that could be done to a fully occupied road tunnel with a few well coordinated trucks. Should we stop building roads? Planes are an exceptional target because they can be deviated to foreign countries or to dramatic impact sites and because are so isolated while in the air. Neither applies to trains.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        Also perfect train security doesn't protect against something on the track, and you can't adequately protect thousands of miles of track. You can reduce, but not eliminate, the risk. A plane is a self-contained system and most people don't have access to surface-to-air missiles.
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      Poland doesn’t have these problems, I wonder why?
- andrepd 3y ago
  Sleeper trains are absolutely the superior choice. Instead of wearing yourself down from the journey, schedule it so you wake up at your destination in the morning. I dream (heh) of a proper pan-european sleeper train network.
aww_dang 3y ago
I preferred the private Amtrak compartment. Overnight trip, bring your own snacks and beverage. Eat a meal or two with other people in the dining car. Read a book and be left alone in your room. Best part was being able to ride a bicycle right to the station and pack it my way. No luggage or boarding anxiety. Arrive and depart from the city or town center. After you pay the airline's extra luggage fees for a bicycle, the cost is comparable.
- andrepd 3y ago
  Yep. Departing from, and arriving to, the city center rather than have to commute to and from the airport is definitely a killer feature.
nine_k 3y ago
It's another reminder that terrorists have won, and have ruined the flight experience for everyone. You basically get searched in order to board. Nobody agrees to have even the slightest risk of a a plane to be hijacked in exchange of not having all of these security measures (which, in a significant part, are a security theater).
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  Maybe the fear-mongerers have won instead? There are lots of public places/events that don't require any searches/background checks and where a bomb would yield a significant number of casualties and terror to blowing up a regional jet, yet we don't seem to be having explosions every other day. Maybe the terrorist threat is overblown and is merely kept around as a convenient excuse for more surveillance/repression?
  - hoseja 3y ago
    The terrorists were explicitly inducing the fearmonger response, no?
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      Yes, but that doesn’t obligate us to indulge them.
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      Yes and no? Terrorism is generally used against an enemy when actual military action is not possible. The intent would normally be to steer government action via basically public pressure. So the purpose is not the inconvenience or intrusiveness of counter terrorism precautions, that is just a side effect. Though most modern terrorism is likely a weird edge case rooted in an overly literal interpretation of a certain book which did not consider the case of a distant empire when it was designed, and therefore the terrorism has no logical game theoretic explanation (unlike, say, the IRA).
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    It’s a substantial jobs program as well, making it an additional amount sticky.
andrepd 3y ago
That's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it. Yes there's bag scan, and yes you need to buy in advance not to have exorbitant prices. Apart from that the experience seems the same. And you shouldn't be taking 1h flights anywhere of course x)

q87b 3y ago

It's probably better for our habitable ecosystem though so in a backwards way anything that makes plane travel less of a convenient no-brainer is good.

quacked 3y ago

> prefer a 12 hour drive to a one hour flight I'm right there with you. I'd go as far as 14 hour drive before I start thinking I should fly instead. It wasn't always like this, flying was bearable even as far back as 2002-2008 even counting the post-9/11 stuff. I think a most of it has to do with cost-cutting. The second they find an efficiency they cut staff and hire cheaper workers. The whole culture around airports, even expensive ones, has started to resemble bus stations.

toadi 3y ago

Exactly I live 600km from the capital. 1 hour flight. Still takes me more then half a day to get to my destination. I ride my motorcycle most of the times 6 hours door to door. With pit stops on the way. Trains are slow here but I take the sleep train. Get on train 10pm go to sleep and arrive at 5am in the morning :) I prefer these latter 2 over flying.

enos-ape 3y ago
One more reason to just invest more in good high speed train infrastructure. https://www.chronotrains.com/?zoom=4.4&lng=4.85&lat=49.23&stationId=8700010 https://www.chronotrains.com/?zoom=4.4&lng=4.85&lat=49.23&st...
- llampx 3y ago
  It would only take a couple of terrorist incidences on the train to make the experience as painful as flying already is.
  - usrusr 3y ago
    Trains can be and have been blown up. But that's mostly harmless compared to the horrors that could be done to a fully occupied road tunnel with a few well coordinated trucks. Should we stop building roads? Planes are an exceptional target because they can be deviated to foreign countries or to dramatic impact sites and because are so isolated while in the air. Neither applies to trains.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Also perfect train security doesn't protect against something on the track, and you can't adequately protect thousands of miles of track. You can reduce, but not eliminate, the risk. A plane is a self-contained system and most people don't have access to surface-to-air missiles.
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
    Poland doesn’t have these problems, I wonder why?
andrepd 3y ago
Sleeper trains are absolutely the superior choice. Instead of wearing yourself down from the journey, schedule it so you wake up at your destination in the morning. I dream (heh) of a proper pan-european sleeper train network.

aww_dang 3y ago

I preferred the private Amtrak compartment. Overnight trip, bring your own snacks and beverage. Eat a meal or two with other people in the dining car. Read a book and be left alone in your room. Best part was being able to ride a bicycle right to the station and pack it my way. No luggage or boarding anxiety. Arrive and depart from the city or town center. After you pay the airline's extra luggage fees for a bicycle, the cost is comparable.

andrepd 3y ago
Yep. Departing from, and arriving to, the city center rather than have to commute to and from the airport is definitely a killer feature.

nine_k 3y ago

It's another reminder that terrorists have won, and have ruined the flight experience for everyone. You basically get searched in order to board. Nobody agrees to have even the slightest risk of a a plane to be hijacked in exchange of not having all of these security measures (which, in a significant part, are a security theater).

Nextgrid 3y ago
Maybe the fear-mongerers have won instead? There are lots of public places/events that don't require any searches/background checks and where a bomb would yield a significant number of casualties and terror to blowing up a regional jet, yet we don't seem to be having explosions every other day. Maybe the terrorist threat is overblown and is merely kept around as a convenient excuse for more surveillance/repression?
- hoseja 3y ago
  The terrorists were explicitly inducing the fearmonger response, no?
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Yes, but that doesn’t obligate us to indulge them.
  - pfannkuchen 3y ago
    Yes and no? Terrorism is generally used against an enemy when actual military action is not possible. The intent would normally be to steer government action via basically public pressure. So the purpose is not the inconvenience or intrusiveness of counter terrorism precautions, that is just a side effect. Though most modern terrorism is likely a weird edge case rooted in an overly literal interpretation of a certain book which did not consider the case of a distant empire when it was designed, and therefore the terrorism has no logical game theoretic explanation (unlike, say, the IRA).
- sokoloff 3y ago
  It’s a substantial jobs program as well, making it an additional amount sticky.

andrepd 3y ago

That's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it. Yes there's bag scan, and yes you need to buy in advance not to have exorbitant prices. Apart from that the experience seems the same. And you shouldn't be taking 1h flights anywhere of course x)