4 ms·

Fuck me, this sounds good. What's the downside?

hu3 3y ago
For me, once a day it crashes Explorer.exe which promptly restarts by itself and life carries on without harm. Takes one or two seconds to rebuild the taskbar when it happens and it's fun to watch. No data is lost. No program closes. It just restarts the taskbar process.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  I get this with unmodified W11 in the OOBE on the latest update, so it'd be SNAFU!
v-yadli 3y ago
It failed once recently after an system update. Blank desktop with no shell. Had to ctrl-shift-esc and manually download latest `ep_setup.exe` and run it to get the desktop back. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20230324-00/?p=107966 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20230324-00/?p=10... Raymond did not point out which "desktop enhancement software" it was but I suspect this is it.
- dataflow 3y ago
  I like this part: > We have to hope that enough of the users whose systems are crashing realize that it’s due to the “shell enhancement” program (rather than blaming Windows itself, which is the more likely case) I would 100% blame Windows (or Microsoft, rather) for making the shell so awful that people have to resort to these tactics. You can't cripple the steering wheel on a car and then blame people for not finding perfect aftermarket substitutes.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    100% this. That these projects exist whatsoever speaks volumes about the grim state of Windows UX.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    This part too: >Unfortunately, these patchers also cause Windows customer satisfaction numbers to plunge every time an update goes out, I've refused/blocked updates for as long as I remember since long before Explorer patchers were a thing, because updates break my shit and waste my fucking time. I've had more of my time and nerves wasted by updates breaking my shit than "all the bad guys trying to take advantage of unpatched systems". Saying my system is "insecure" is concentrated snake oil. Seriously, fuck updates with a rusty spork. I only run Windows Updates once a year or two when I've set aside a few days to work out all the inevitable borkages, and I damn well like it that way. My computer is a tool and an appliance, not a mentally ill schizophrenic who changes their personality every hour.
    - cbluth 3y ago
      The Linux user in me is hearing everything you're saying
      - geraldhh 3y ago
        and sharing the sentiment
    - geraldhh 3y ago
      pet vs. cattle but i'm afraid that your computer is indeed a 'mentally ill schizophrenic' which is here to stay, because fixing it would shift the focus/blame back to the operators.
    - badpun 3y ago
      Ah I miss the youth. Now that my PC holds passwords to all of my accumulated wealth, even a tiny risk of being owned is not something that I’ll live with, if it can be prevented.
  - vxNsr 3y ago
    I remember a time when microsoft would test their software before deploying it.
- hoseja 3y ago
  He's so damn smug about breaking the user patch of their terrible mess of explorer, too.
yashash 3y ago
nothing

hu3 3y ago

For me, once a day it crashes Explorer.exe which promptly restarts by itself and life carries on without harm. Takes one or two seconds to rebuild the taskbar when it happens and it's fun to watch. No data is lost. No program closes. It just restarts the taskbar process.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
I get this with unmodified W11 in the OOBE on the latest update, so it'd be SNAFU!

v-yadli 3y ago

It failed once recently after an system update. Blank desktop with no shell. Had to ctrl-shift-esc and manually download latest `ep_setup.exe` and run it to get the desktop back. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20230324-00/?p=107966 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20230324-00/?p=10... Raymond did not point out which "desktop enhancement software" it was but I suspect this is it.

dataflow 3y ago
I like this part: > We have to hope that enough of the users whose systems are crashing realize that it’s due to the “shell enhancement” program (rather than blaming Windows itself, which is the more likely case) I would 100% blame Windows (or Microsoft, rather) for making the shell so awful that people have to resort to these tactics. You can't cripple the steering wheel on a car and then blame people for not finding perfect aftermarket substitutes.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  100% this. That these projects exist whatsoever speaks volumes about the grim state of Windows UX.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  This part too: >Unfortunately, these patchers also cause Windows customer satisfaction numbers to plunge every time an update goes out, I've refused/blocked updates for as long as I remember since long before Explorer patchers were a thing, because updates break my shit and waste my fucking time. I've had more of my time and nerves wasted by updates breaking my shit than "all the bad guys trying to take advantage of unpatched systems". Saying my system is "insecure" is concentrated snake oil. Seriously, fuck updates with a rusty spork. I only run Windows Updates once a year or two when I've set aside a few days to work out all the inevitable borkages, and I damn well like it that way. My computer is a tool and an appliance, not a mentally ill schizophrenic who changes their personality every hour.
  - cbluth 3y ago
    The Linux user in me is hearing everything you're saying
    - geraldhh 3y ago
      and sharing the sentiment
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    pet vs. cattle but i'm afraid that your computer is indeed a 'mentally ill schizophrenic' which is here to stay, because fixing it would shift the focus/blame back to the operators.
  - badpun 3y ago
    Ah I miss the youth. Now that my PC holds passwords to all of my accumulated wealth, even a tiny risk of being owned is not something that I’ll live with, if it can be prevented.
- vxNsr 3y ago
  I remember a time when microsoft would test their software before deploying it.
hoseja 3y ago
He's so damn smug about breaking the user patch of their terrible mess of explorer, too.

yashash 3y ago

nothing