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It is important to note the role that meat takes in subsistence agriculture: Chicken, for instance not only produce eggs and manure, they also serve as breathin

It is important to note the role that meat takes in subsistence agriculture: Chicken, for instance not only produce eggs and manure, they also serve as breathing refrigerators: Whenever there is the need, especially in the winter, one can easily kill one or more and eat them. I think cattle plays a similar role at a larger scale. Obviously, we have moved very far from these basics and industrialized the whole chain, but it should be worth considering that mass adoption of vegan food requires the very same industrialization whereas true organic food will profit from a certain amount of livestock.

Faaak 3y ago
> vegan food requires the very same industrialization Well, there is, for example, flour ?
- woolion 3y ago
  From Wikipedia: >In sunny countries such as Nigeria, South Africa, and Bangladesh, there is sufficient endogenous vitamin D due to exposure to the sun. However, [Rickets] occurs among older toddlers and children in these countries, which in these circumstances is attributed to low dietary calcium intakes due to a mainly cereal-based diet If you treat food as simple calorie numbers, you end up with deficiencies with very bad consequences. This is just an example that I found interesting.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  If you don’t properly bake/freeze and vacuum seal your wheat/flour, expect to find lots of little “friends” making a home in your food.
- Arnt 3y ago
  The flour you eat uses copious industrial support, both before and after harvesting. Fertiliser is called NPK, named for the main chemical ingredients, which come from factories and mines on distant continents. This gadget is very industrial: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Kauran_puintia_4.jpg/1280px-Kauran_puintia_4.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Ka... The use-by date of flour is generally a few weeks or up to three months depending on the kind of flour and the climate. Providing fresh flour all year requires a bit of technology, too. Not nearly as much as collecting N, P and K and producing fertiliser, but not zero either.
Baeocystin 3y ago
Adding on- chickens are fantastic in the garden, too. Not for the manure (you get that when you let them pick over the compost pile) but for pest control. They are laser-focused on snails, hornworms, all of it. They really are a force-multiplier of the small family farm.

Faaak 3y ago

> vegan food requires the very same industrialization Well, there is, for example, flour ?

woolion 3y ago
From Wikipedia: >In sunny countries such as Nigeria, South Africa, and Bangladesh, there is sufficient endogenous vitamin D due to exposure to the sun. However, [Rickets] occurs among older toddlers and children in these countries, which in these circumstances is attributed to low dietary calcium intakes due to a mainly cereal-based diet If you treat food as simple calorie numbers, you end up with deficiencies with very bad consequences. This is just an example that I found interesting.
tourmalinetaco 3y ago
If you don’t properly bake/freeze and vacuum seal your wheat/flour, expect to find lots of little “friends” making a home in your food.
Arnt 3y ago
The flour you eat uses copious industrial support, both before and after harvesting. Fertiliser is called NPK, named for the main chemical ingredients, which come from factories and mines on distant continents. This gadget is very industrial: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Kauran_puintia_4.jpg/1280px-Kauran_puintia_4.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Ka... The use-by date of flour is generally a few weeks or up to three months depending on the kind of flour and the climate. Providing fresh flour all year requires a bit of technology, too. Not nearly as much as collecting N, P and K and producing fertiliser, but not zero either.

Baeocystin 3y ago

Adding on- chickens are fantastic in the garden, too. Not for the manure (you get that when you let them pick over the compost pile) but for pest control. They are laser-focused on snails, hornworms, all of it. They really are a force-multiplier of the small family farm.