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Climate change denial has moved beyond explicitly denying its existence at this point. At least the kind that can sway otherwise reasonably intelligent people.

Climate change denial has moved beyond explicitly denying its existence at this point. At least the kind that can sway otherwise reasonably intelligent people. > It's not happening > Okay maybe it's happening but we didn't cause it > Okay maybe it's happening and maybe we did cause it but we shouldn't do anything about it because insert easily debunkable bullshit about electric vehicles and renewables being impractical or whataboutism involving other countries here. <== WE ARE HERE > Okay it's happening and we caused it but it's too late to do anything now so lets just keep the status quo.

Gud 3y ago
And where did the Economist do this? When was the Economist ever denying climate change?
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  Does their glowing obituary of Nigel Lawson count: > His frequent presence on the bbc, arguing against the reality of man-made climate change or, alternatively, that a bit of warming was desirable, depending on the day, outraged environmentalists and scientists alike. https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/04/04/nigel-lawson-was-the-economic-brain-of-thatcherism https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/04/04/nigel-lawson-wa...
  - jdminhbg 3y ago
    Seems like no, it does not count, because they're explicitly saying he was wrong: > the reality of man-made climate change
    - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
      Someone can question the reality of something that isn't real. So they've not even managed that low bar you've set for them. We have to assume their opinion on this. We know it outrages environmentalists and scientists, but apparently the economists opinion is not relevant or worth stating explicitly?
      - jdminhbg 3y ago
        I mean, it's an obituary. They don't really need to spend an additional paragraph about their opinion on climate change, given that they have articles that are about climate change all over the rest of the magazine. The idea that they're secretly climate change deniers because they don't spend as much time on it as you'd like in an obituary is honestly slightly crazy.

Gud 3y ago

And where did the Economist do this? When was the Economist ever denying climate change?

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
Does their glowing obituary of Nigel Lawson count: > His frequent presence on the bbc, arguing against the reality of man-made climate change or, alternatively, that a bit of warming was desirable, depending on the day, outraged environmentalists and scientists alike. https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/04/04/nigel-lawson-was-the-economic-brain-of-thatcherism https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/04/04/nigel-lawson-wa...
- jdminhbg 3y ago
  Seems like no, it does not count, because they're explicitly saying he was wrong: > the reality of man-made climate change
  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    Someone can question the reality of something that isn't real. So they've not even managed that low bar you've set for them. We have to assume their opinion on this. We know it outrages environmentalists and scientists, but apparently the economists opinion is not relevant or worth stating explicitly?
    - jdminhbg 3y ago
      I mean, it's an obituary. They don't really need to spend an additional paragraph about their opinion on climate change, given that they have articles that are about climate change all over the rest of the magazine. The idea that they're secretly climate change deniers because they don't spend as much time on it as you'd like in an obituary is honestly slightly crazy.