4 ms·

I think the strong connotation of the word "open" in the software community comes from "open source". If OSS was called "great new source" and a new closed sour

I think the strong connotation of the word "open" in the software community comes from "open source". If OSS was called "great new source" and a new closed source company called itself GreatNewAI you'd have a similar phenomenon of people taking apart the name.

vore 3y ago
Understandably, people don’t like it when people take the goodwill of an established term and use it to fulfill their directly opposing goals.
eternalban 3y ago
'Open Systems' predate 'Open Source' by a decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group
- TrueDuality 3y ago
  That's true but also not relevant to current wide spread use of the term. Concepts and common understanding evolve with language and I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make by pointing this out. Your first link even includes the language: > "open source" marketed as trumping "open system". Common use and understanding of the use "open" evolved decades ago. Your comment also tries to side step the issue at heart people are annoyed and frustrated by. The founding principles of the OpenAI foundation laid out exactly what that usage of "Open" meant for their organization and they have since backtracked on their own principles.
  - eternalban 3y ago
    We're discussing the use of the word 'Open'. Which was first applied to systems. Then "source", which actually did in fact argue that openness of source was more important that system open-ness. As to system open-ness, that is well understood as open access to blackbox via open (non-proprietary) APIs. Which is precisely what "OpenAI" is providing. > Your comment also tries to side step the issue .. We disagree. Narrowly directed and addressing the "issue", in fact.

vore 3y ago

Understandably, people don’t like it when people take the goodwill of an established term and use it to fulfill their directly opposing goals.

eternalban 3y ago

'Open Systems' predate 'Open Source' by a decade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_system_(computing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Open_Group

TrueDuality 3y ago
That's true but also not relevant to current wide spread use of the term. Concepts and common understanding evolve with language and I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make by pointing this out. Your first link even includes the language: > "open source" marketed as trumping "open system". Common use and understanding of the use "open" evolved decades ago. Your comment also tries to side step the issue at heart people are annoyed and frustrated by. The founding principles of the OpenAI foundation laid out exactly what that usage of "Open" meant for their organization and they have since backtracked on their own principles.
- eternalban 3y ago
  We're discussing the use of the word 'Open'. Which was first applied to systems. Then "source", which actually did in fact argue that openness of source was more important that system open-ness. As to system open-ness, that is well understood as open access to blackbox via open (non-proprietary) APIs. Which is precisely what "OpenAI" is providing. > Your comment also tries to side step the issue .. We disagree. Narrowly directed and addressing the "issue", in fact.