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> Your blog post's knowledge-dump ends up never being seen. I don't think this is true - it ends up being added to a soup of knowledge that is ladled out as pe

> Your blog post's knowledge-dump ends up never being seen. I don't think this is true - it ends up being added to a soup of knowledge that is ladled out as people ask about it. It might not directly be seen, but it may contribute more to the overall knowledge about the space since OP's knowledge is now able to be sliced, diced, and recombined. It sucks for the individual who wants to be credited, and it is annoying that megacorps will benefit directly. But for someone who wants to increase the knowledge in the world, it's not so bad...

Alupis 3y ago
> But for someone who wants to increase the knowledge in the world, it's not so bad... You may actually be decreasing the knowledge of the world. It's not difficult to imagine a future where people do not know how to effectively communicate, and instead rely on ChatGPT (or whatever) to communicate for them. Or a future where nobody knows anything, and instead blindly trusts the output of AI models. There's already dating services that let your ChatGPT bot woo someone else's ChatGPT bot...
- kajaktum 3y ago
  I think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing. You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet? Progress is here, old man. Thinking that people will deliberately go out of their way to grok through pages of PDF documentations hoping to find that one line of relevant information instead of just asking is stupid and misguided.
  - wwweston 3y ago
    > think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing. Along with your "old man" dig, the fact that you have to attribute hidden motives to someone who's got specific concerns elaborated in their comment doesn't do you any favors. > You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet? I know smart people who argue that paper maps reduce social ties because they remove the necessity to ask for directions. They're not wrong. It doesn't mean maps aren't really useful, or that they even want maps gone. It means they're paying attention to dynamics and maybe even better prepared to fine-tune them by introducing something else to the system. People do argue against "the internet", btw -- the problem of determining authority/reliability of an internet source, hidden incentives of search or feed algorithms, sand castles, and yes the capacity for isolation or echo chambers from virtual interaction. They're not wrong either. > Progress is here Change is here. Thoughtful people can recognize that comes with potential advantages and look with concern on hazards and disadvantages.
- edmundsauto 3y ago
  How does your example (bots chatting with bots on dating sites) decrease knowledge? I can see that it dilutes knowledge, but overall isn't the size of the pie decreased?
  - swores 3y ago
    Isn't it possible for knowledge to be effectively different based on how much incorrect stuff there is? For example if one person knows two correct facts about a specific sport, and another person knows those same 2 correct facts as well as 2 false facts, and doesn't know which 2 are true or false, isn't the second person less knowledgeable about that sport than the first person, despite technically having the same amount of true facts on the subject? Equally, even if the amount of known knowledge in the world remains the same, isn't a world in which every human while studying spends every minute learning true stuff vs. spending half their time reading made up stuff, won't people on average be less knowledgeable despite the fact that no global knowledge got destroyed in the process? (Ofc there's never been a time when it's possible to spend 100% of the time learning completely accurate stuff, hypothetical exaggeration there.)

Alupis 3y ago

> But for someone who wants to increase the knowledge in the world, it's not so bad... You may actually be decreasing the knowledge of the world. It's not difficult to imagine a future where people do not know how to effectively communicate, and instead rely on ChatGPT (or whatever) to communicate for them. Or a future where nobody knows anything, and instead blindly trusts the output of AI models. There's already dating services that let your ChatGPT bot woo someone else's ChatGPT bot...

kajaktum 3y ago
I think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing. You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet? Progress is here, old man. Thinking that people will deliberately go out of their way to grok through pages of PDF documentations hoping to find that one line of relevant information instead of just asking is stupid and misguided.
- wwweston 3y ago
  > think you are just hating on LLMs because its a new thing. Along with your "old man" dig, the fact that you have to attribute hidden motives to someone who's got specific concerns elaborated in their comment doesn't do you any favors. > You can similarly argue that internet will ruin our social life because we no longer have to go to the library and meet with strangers researching up similar topics. But I don’t see anyone arguing against internet? I know smart people who argue that paper maps reduce social ties because they remove the necessity to ask for directions. They're not wrong. It doesn't mean maps aren't really useful, or that they even want maps gone. It means they're paying attention to dynamics and maybe even better prepared to fine-tune them by introducing something else to the system. People do argue against "the internet", btw -- the problem of determining authority/reliability of an internet source, hidden incentives of search or feed algorithms, sand castles, and yes the capacity for isolation or echo chambers from virtual interaction. They're not wrong either. > Progress is here Change is here. Thoughtful people can recognize that comes with potential advantages and look with concern on hazards and disadvantages.
edmundsauto 3y ago
How does your example (bots chatting with bots on dating sites) decrease knowledge? I can see that it dilutes knowledge, but overall isn't the size of the pie decreased?
- swores 3y ago
  Isn't it possible for knowledge to be effectively different based on how much incorrect stuff there is? For example if one person knows two correct facts about a specific sport, and another person knows those same 2 correct facts as well as 2 false facts, and doesn't know which 2 are true or false, isn't the second person less knowledgeable about that sport than the first person, despite technically having the same amount of true facts on the subject? Equally, even if the amount of known knowledge in the world remains the same, isn't a world in which every human while studying spends every minute learning true stuff vs. spending half their time reading made up stuff, won't people on average be less knowledgeable despite the fact that no global knowledge got destroyed in the process? (Ofc there's never been a time when it's possible to spend 100% of the time learning completely accurate stuff, hypothetical exaggeration there.)