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In the end, your arguments in this thread always come back to “well, they did it too” or “they deserved it”. I hope one day Russia and Russians find a way to c

by czzr 3y ago

In the end, your arguments in this thread always come back to “well, they did it too” or “they deserved it”. I hope one day Russia and Russians find a way to contribute hope to the world, instead of sad and pointless destruction.

thriftwy 3y ago
I can see that you expect Russians to be better people than Germans or Americans, while having worse prior history and being overally more poor and miserable. That would be a noble expectation, but you could predict that it will not be uphold. Maybe because it is not possible in practice, or at least highly implausible. Russans, in general, are people. People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. People rationalize what happens in the moment, to reflect on it and be outraged later. If you were doing that in a good faith, good for you, but as you can see that's not how the world works.
- dathinab 3y ago
  > People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. Actually many do not.
  - phlipski 3y ago
    And allegedly upwards of 700,000 Russians have decided to NOT got to war and have fled the country! This source is 7 months old. You've got to figure that even more have fled since! https://www.reuters.com/world/e7urope/where-have-russians-been-fleeing-since-mobilisation-began-2022-10-06/7 https://www.reuters.com/world/e7urope/where-have-russians-be...
- jen20 3y ago
  > People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. They absolutely do not if they want to be considered of good moral character.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    Who said they do? They want to be respected members of their community and want to keep their country intact, leaving the moral character stuff to Immanuel Kant.
- chrysler 3y ago
  >> I can see that you expect Russians to be better people than Germans or Americans More Germans opposed Nazism than Russians oppose Putinism. "It has been estimated that during the course of World War II 800,000 Germans were arrested by the Gestapo for resistance activities. It has also been estimated that between 15,000 and 77,000 of the Germans were executed by the Nazis." Nothing comparable exists in Russia. You like Putin more than Germans liked Hitler.

by czzr 3y ago

thriftwy 3y ago

I can see that you expect Russians to be better people than Germans or Americans, while having worse prior history and being overally more poor and miserable. That would be a noble expectation, but you could predict that it will not be uphold. Maybe because it is not possible in practice, or at least highly implausible. Russans, in general, are people. People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. People rationalize what happens in the moment, to reflect on it and be outraged later. If you were doing that in a good faith, good for you, but as you can see that's not how the world works.

dathinab 3y ago
> People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. Actually many do not.
- phlipski 3y ago
  And allegedly upwards of 700,000 Russians have decided to NOT got to war and have fled the country! This source is 7 months old. You've got to figure that even more have fled since! https://www.reuters.com/world/e7urope/where-have-russians-been-fleeing-since-mobilisation-began-2022-10-06/7 https://www.reuters.com/world/e7urope/where-have-russians-be...
jen20 3y ago
> People go to war when told to do so by their superiors. They absolutely do not if they want to be considered of good moral character.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  Who said they do? They want to be respected members of their community and want to keep their country intact, leaving the moral character stuff to Immanuel Kant.
chrysler 3y ago
>> I can see that you expect Russians to be better people than Germans or Americans More Germans opposed Nazism than Russians oppose Putinism. "It has been estimated that during the course of World War II 800,000 Germans were arrested by the Gestapo for resistance activities. It has also been estimated that between 15,000 and 77,000 of the Germans were executed by the Nazis." Nothing comparable exists in Russia. You like Putin more than Germans liked Hitler.