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Is it weird that this makes me want to subscribe to YouTube premium less than before? Feels like I've been poised to give them money for a while, since so many
by karaterobot 4y ago
Is it weird that this makes me want to subscribe to YouTube premium less than before? Feels like I've been poised to give them money for a while, since so many people seem to like the service. Now I feel like they're challenging me to a duel.
- ChatGTP 4y agoI’m happy because I won’t pay them and now they’re forcing me off the platform, win for me.
- thisgoodlife 4y agoThat’s a win win. You shouldn’t be forced to use the platform. And the platform shouldn’t be forced to provide you services for free
- ChatGTP 4y agoIf Google didn’t have such a abysmal business model to start with, this wouldn’t be an issue. They offered services for free without providing the disclaimer. The attention economy is a toxic poison, I think more people than you realise are now aware of this and are less likely to pay for something Google offers because of it. I don’t hate Google, but they’ve eroded a lot of trust.
- curiouscats 4y agoI looked into subscribing because I don't mind paying to avoid the ads. I don't like the spying that will go along with paying, given that it is Alphabet/Google. If they offered a plan to pay without the spying I would have signed up years ago. I didn't try so I could be wrong but my guess is your payment will be tied directly to your login and so you need to have that login on the browser at all times to view the videos (without ads) and given all the decline of "do no evil" I don't trust them at all. I also don't trust they wouldn't mess things up. I travel a lot. I paid for YouTube TV and the ludicrous junk they do to try and verify you are able to view things was a huge pain and failed quite a lot until it failed nearly always I and dropped it. I imagine if they push me I will pay and then have to copy and paste every YouTube url into a sanitized browser instance only used for YouTube. But I don't trust Alphabet/Google to not constantly be attempting to use that subscription to improve and deepen their spying which annoys me quite a bit. I just trust them a tiny bit more than Microsoft (and I ditched using anything by Microsoft decades ago - other than my use of LinkedIn continuing after they bought it and very occasional uses of Bing to check on it).
- drakythe 4y agoHow does subscribing increase their spying? Beyond the obvious that they now have your billing address.
- kenhwang 4y agoYou can watch Youtube incognito for free but you need to login to benefit from subscribing.
- mertd 4y agoYou can delete your watch history after every session or have something automated do it for you. That will work fine if you only want to watch the content you subscribed to. If you want better recommendations though you may have to tolerate some things that you may consider "spying".
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- candiddevmike 4y agoTry youtube-dl or one of the clones.
- dylan604 4y agoHow does this work for users that are not using a desktop OS/browser? Is there a mobile app that does this and holds the content for local viewing?
- xenospn 4y agoI’ve used it with Plex, works fine
- aegis4244 4y agoNewpipe.
- nitemice 4y agoOn Android, there are a number of solutions, like NewPipe (YT client) and Seal (downloader).
- bitwize 4y agoAll of the above will be detected and blocked by YouTube.
- SXX 4y agoThis would mean YouTube will have to break compatibility with countless outdated Android / iOS apps, Smart TVs and other devices. Not gonna happen anytime soon.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago> YouTube will have to break compatibility with countless outdated Android / iOS apps, Smart TVs and other devices Minus smart TVs, this seems like the point of the policy change. (And even on the TVs, if they're watching without paying while blocking ads, that's purely a cost centre.)
- wkdneidbwf 4y agoi don’t think it’s weird, but i signed up for the premium trial a few weeks ago and it is simply astounding how much more enjoyable it makes things. i didn’t realize just how awful things had become until i tried youtube without ads. i know some other folks are complaining about still getting tracked or whatever, but i think the simple truth is that youtube without ads is a vastly superior experience.
- katbyte 4y agoThe people you watch also make more money per premium view from what I understand
- falcolas 4y agoLast I heard, it was in the 10-50x range per view (premium vs. ad supported). I watch enough YouTube for it to be a no-brainer for me, and I run an ad-blocker pretty much everywhere. Supporting the video creators I watch is worth it.
- disillusioned 4y agoI signed up when it was first announced as YT Red years ago ("Member since October 29, 2015") and whenever I use a device without being logged in or I'm on an account without premium, I cringe. I can't believe people live that way. And we watch so much YouTube in this house, it's more than worth it for me, plus more cash to the creators. I wish I got a discount for ALSO subscribing to YTTV and Google One... that'd be nice, but I'm not parting with YT Premium any time soon. It shows I've had > 790 hours of ad-free videos.
- katbyte 4y agoI don’t just subscribe to remove ads (yt premium is my only subscription) It also pays the content creators I watch more money. So imho it’s a win win. No ads for me more money for the peoples content I enjoy
- mvdtnz 4y agoIf you've been "poised to give them money for a while" I don't think you were ever actually going to. What was stopping you?
- bagacrap 4y agoI mean, either way, Youtube comes out ahead. If you're blocking all their ads and not paying a sub, you're just a cost. They're cutting you. What I don't understand is why you feel entitled to benefit from this resource without supporting it in any way.
- aio2 3y agoI think you are missing the point that Youtube chose to provide this service the way it is, and we are using it as they want.
- PragmaticPulp 4y agoIf you weren’t a paying customer, refuse to become a paying customer, and refuse to watch the ads, they don’t gain anything by having you as a user. It only costs them to retain you. If doing something as simple as asking you to hold up your end of the deal of using their website (letting ads load for the ad-supported content) is too much to ask but paying for the website is also too much to ask, you have to be honest that you just want a free experience. I don’t buy the argument that you were going to pay them in the future but you decided against it because they wouldn’t let you have it for free.
- Waterluvian 4y agoI don’t do the ads on desktop but tolerate them on mobile. If they push me off the habit altogether, they’ll lose that second half of ads. I used to be fine with the ads. But two breaks for a five minute video is unacceptable. I hope they fail if this is what they think is okay. They also advertise fraudulent stuff all the time now. They don’t care. They’re just desperate for money. It would be silly to assign some sort of morality argument to the other half of it when they behave so poorly with the ads.
- acdha 4y agoI wouldn't argue that the ads are terrible but it's what you agreed to by using an ad supported service. If you don't like their ad selection, the only ethical choice is either to pay for Premium or stop using YouTube. Watching someone's work without paying them isn't fair to the creators and it's a great way to ensure the market moves to worse content which is cheaper to produce.
- Waterluvian 4y agoI’m unmoved by the creators angle. Google exploits creators too. It’s best to just give them money more directly (like Patreon) than give Google money and hope they forward the creators a sensible amount. If Google wants me off their service because I don’t watch enough ads, that’s their call. I’m not going to make a hufflepuff about it. But their ad game is garbage.
- lamontcg 4y agoMy $25/mo for life youtubetv subscription is now up to $80/mo. I'm regretting that now, but also kind of stuck because I have family members on the account. I'm definitely not signing up for youtube premium.
- bagacrap 4y agoTotally different service, also what does 25 for life mean? Did they promise that somewhere?
- Gigachad 4y agoI don’t pay for it because it’s pointless when you can use an ad blocker. This change would flip the situation.
- anon-3988 4y agoMate, Youtube have existed for almost 2 decades and you probably used them for most of it. I have used it to watch countless hours of lectures, talks, interviews and entertainment. You probably have the same experience of it for the past 2 decade too. If you are not going to pay for THAT, you aren't going to pay for ANYTHING. Just admit you want free stuff. Stop deluding yourself into thinking that Youtube is somehow responsible for hosting all these for free.
- deafpolygon 4y agoGoogle set the standard for free online videos. It's what they used to aggressively drive other competitors out of the market. Now they want to reap the "benefits" of market dominance.
- amatecha 4y agoYeah, I had this discussion with someone recently. Companies of that size can drown out competition for years, decades even, by operating at a loss (or just not making much profit at all) because they have numerous revenue streams and the pre-existing highly-profitable sources can subsidize the not-so-profitable new one. Once you have a nice big customer base, tighten the screws and wring money out of the users now that they are captive. The rate at which that process occurs varies, but it's basically inevitable, especially for publicly-traded corps.
- Brusco_RF 4y agoThere are tons of Youtube competitors that you can use right now. You're not though, because Youtube is better.
- atraac 3y agoNoone uses youtube because "it's better"(in what way even?). Everyone uses youtube because it's pretty much the only place for pre-filmed video content these days. If all content creators I watch moved to other sites, I would watch them there. I don't 'watch youtube', I watch people/channels that I follow. They've built a monopoly and now they're abusing it. I would gladly pay some low yearly subscription for Youtube without ads, but their current price is borderline insane, especially since most people won't use most of the features offered, all we want is an ad-free experience, I couldn't care less for Youtube Music. Until then, I will continue watching it via 3rd party sideloaded apps on my TV and with uBlock in web browser. Stop white-knighting corporations worth billions of dollars, they don't care for you as much as you care for them.
- dionidium 4y ago> Feels like I've been poised to give them money for a while Pay for it or don't, but what is this nonsense about being poised (for a while) to maybe someday possibly consider thinking about purchasing the service? It's $13. (In inflation-adjusted terms that's $7.12 the year I graduated high school.) What in the world are we talking about here? Buy it or don't. What is there to think about?
- romeoblade 4y agoI just checked it's $15.99, which is a no go for me at the moment. If they offered a lower cost tier without YouTube music I would do it. However I use pandora (plus), I have for over a decade and have all my stations setup how I want them so I have no need for YouTube music. I mostly use the app anyways on my phone or tablet, so I still get ads. So it's not a big deal, but I do feel that $15.99 is to much at least for me at the moment, considering I pay for pandora and a few other streaming services. Edit: Just realized I was viewing through the app with the Apple tax markup. However $13 is still more then ideal when I'll never use YouTube Music
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- lysp 4y agoSome people have been known to temporarily "move to Turkey" during signup. That gives you an annual individual plan for $15usd p.a.