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Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? Do you know what the anti-interdiction services

Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? I’m guessing that the each of the separate components are cryptographically paired so that third parties can’t replace the modem or touchscreen (for example).

fsflover 4y ago
> Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ > Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#43-how-secure-is-the-librem-5-compared-to-an-android-phone https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...
- criddell 4y ago
  Ah, bummer. Thanks for the links.
- monarchistmaybe 4y ago
  This wiki is out of date. It has lots of [comparisons to the PinePhone](https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#16-how-does-the-librem-5-compare-to-other-linux-phones-pinephone-volla-phone-cosmo-etc https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...), but none regarding the PinePhone Pro. The Pro has a much better hardware situation than the original PinePhone.
  - fsflover 4y ago
    AFAIK PinePhone Pro is still far from being a daily-driver-ready, so a comparison with it is almost irrelevant. It has no paid developers, so I don't expect it to be ready very soon.
    - monarchistmaybe 4y ago
      This is a bad take. Pine has a far more vibrant and treaded software ecosystem than Librem[0] at this point and many or most of the userland UI is using Purism's Phosh launcher anyway. Hell, if you want, you can build PureOS for the PinePhone too [1]. Pine has more real users with real devices and possibly more developers too since it's more Bazaar and less Cathedral in its approach to development. You can have preferences, but this just reads like sour grapes. 0: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release... 1: https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b7837164f69 https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b78371...
      - seba_dos1 4y ago
        It's pretty clear that you have never seen these devices next to each other - and that you never attempted to actually use the thing you posted instructions for. There's a huge difference in maturity between PinePhone/Librem 5 and PinePhone Pro.
forgotmypw17 4y ago
For me, the appeal of a Librem phone is less about security and more about ability to use the phone freely, e.g. filesystem access, ability to install my own software, and developing right on the device.

fsflover 4y ago

> Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ > Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#43-how-secure-is-the-librem-5-compared-to-an-android-phone https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

criddell 4y ago
Ah, bummer. Thanks for the links.
monarchistmaybe 4y ago
This wiki is out of date. It has lots of [comparisons to the PinePhone](https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#16-how-does-the-librem-5-compare-to-other-linux-phones-pinephone-volla-phone-cosmo-etc https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...), but none regarding the PinePhone Pro. The Pro has a much better hardware situation than the original PinePhone.
- fsflover 4y ago
  AFAIK PinePhone Pro is still far from being a daily-driver-ready, so a comparison with it is almost irrelevant. It has no paid developers, so I don't expect it to be ready very soon.
  - monarchistmaybe 4y ago
    This is a bad take. Pine has a far more vibrant and treaded software ecosystem than Librem[0] at this point and many or most of the userland UI is using Purism's Phosh launcher anyway. Hell, if you want, you can build PureOS for the PinePhone too [1]. Pine has more real users with real devices and possibly more developers too since it's more Bazaar and less Cathedral in its approach to development. You can have preferences, but this just reads like sour grapes. 0: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release... 1: https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b7837164f69 https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b78371...
    - seba_dos1 4y ago
      It's pretty clear that you have never seen these devices next to each other - and that you never attempted to actually use the thing you posted instructions for. There's a huge difference in maturity between PinePhone/Librem 5 and PinePhone Pro.

forgotmypw17 4y ago

For me, the appeal of a Librem phone is less about security and more about ability to use the phone freely, e.g. filesystem access, ability to install my own software, and developing right on the device.