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This seems to be much closer to a general-purpose computer than any other smartphone I've seen. For anyone not clicking through to the article, here is the fea

This seems to be much closer to a general-purpose computer than any other smartphone I've seen. For anyone not clicking through to the article, here is the feature list: Secure supply chain centered on made in the USA electronics at Purism’s facility located in the USA Device assembled in the USA Publicly available schematics The Liberm 5 USA is designed for security and privacy rather than for consumerism Hardware isolation of components Bootable from SD card Removable radio modules Replaceable lithium battery Secure cryptographic removable smart card Hardware kill switches put the product owner in full control over device Private and secure operating system, PureOS PureOS is fully open source and auditable for better security and privacy No intrusive mystery proprietary code supporting surveillance and data mining apps or technologies PureOS supports private and secure apps developed with fully auditable source code Purism supports decentralized application developers centered on providing secure apps Security and privacy protection by default Librem 5 USA is supported by secure and private cellular service provided by Librem AweSIM Purism offers anti-interdiction services to ensure devices are not altered in transit Librem 5 USA supports true convergence with PC apps using a lapdock or mouse, keyboard, and monitor

criddell 3y ago
Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? I’m guessing that the each of the separate components are cryptographically paired so that third parties can’t replace the modem or touchscreen (for example).
- fsflover 3y ago
  > Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ > Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#43-how-secure-is-the-librem-5-compared-to-an-android-phone https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...
  - criddell 3y ago
    Ah, bummer. Thanks for the links.
  - monarchistmaybe 3y ago
    This wiki is out of date. It has lots of [comparisons to the PinePhone](https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#16-how-does-the-librem-5-compare-to-other-linux-phones-pinephone-volla-phone-cosmo-etc https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...), but none regarding the PinePhone Pro. The Pro has a much better hardware situation than the original PinePhone.
    - fsflover 3y ago
      AFAIK PinePhone Pro is still far from being a daily-driver-ready, so a comparison with it is almost irrelevant. It has no paid developers, so I don't expect it to be ready very soon.
      - monarchistmaybe 3y ago
        This is a bad take. Pine has a far more vibrant and treaded software ecosystem than Librem[0] at this point and many or most of the userland UI is using Purism's Phosh launcher anyway. Hell, if you want, you can build PureOS for the PinePhone too [1]. Pine has more real users with real devices and possibly more developers too since it's more Bazaar and less Cathedral in its approach to development. You can have preferences, but this just reads like sour grapes. 0: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release... 1: https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b7837164f69 https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b78371...
        seba_dos1 3y ago
        It's pretty clear that you have never seen these devices next to each other - and that you never attempted to actually use the thing you posted instructions for. There's a huge difference in maturity between PinePhone/Librem 5 and PinePhone Pro.
- forgotmypw17 3y ago
  For me, the appeal of a Librem phone is less about security and more about ability to use the phone freely, e.g. filesystem access, ability to install my own software, and developing right on the device.

criddell 3y ago

Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? I’m guessing that the each of the separate components are cryptographically paired so that third parties can’t replace the modem or touchscreen (for example).

fsflover 3y ago
> Do you know what the anti-interdiction services are? https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ https://wp.puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-services/ > Does it have a something like Apple’s Secure Enclave to protect cryptographic keys? Are apps strongly isolated? https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#43-how-secure-is-the-librem-5-compared-to-an-android-phone https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...
- criddell 3y ago
  Ah, bummer. Thanks for the links.
- monarchistmaybe 3y ago
  This wiki is out of date. It has lots of [comparisons to the PinePhone](https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#16-how-does-the-librem-5-compare-to-other-linux-phones-pinephone-volla-phone-cosmo-etc https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...), but none regarding the PinePhone Pro. The Pro has a much better hardware situation than the original PinePhone.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    AFAIK PinePhone Pro is still far from being a daily-driver-ready, so a comparison with it is almost irrelevant. It has no paid developers, so I don't expect it to be ready very soon.
    - monarchistmaybe 3y ago
      This is a bad take. Pine has a far more vibrant and treaded software ecosystem than Librem[0] at this point and many or most of the userland UI is using Purism's Phosh launcher anyway. Hell, if you want, you can build PureOS for the PinePhone too [1]. Pine has more real users with real devices and possibly more developers too since it's more Bazaar and less Cathedral in its approach to development. You can have preferences, but this just reads like sour grapes. 0: https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Releases https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/PinePhone_Software_Release... 1: https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b7837164f69 https://gist.github.com/mozzwald/3104aadf2cc8f567a72b6b78371...
      - seba_dos1 3y ago
        It's pretty clear that you have never seen these devices next to each other - and that you never attempted to actually use the thing you posted instructions for. There's a huge difference in maturity between PinePhone/Librem 5 and PinePhone Pro.
forgotmypw17 3y ago
For me, the appeal of a Librem phone is less about security and more about ability to use the phone freely, e.g. filesystem access, ability to install my own software, and developing right on the device.