> It's a crap argument. We have evidence that certain states -- China, Russia, Israel, Vietnamn, etc. -- employs state-sponsored troll groups. Whether they do

> It's a crap argument. We have evidence that certain states -- China, Russia, Israel, Vietnamn, etc. -- employs state-sponsored troll groups. Whether they do it is orthogonal to the particular point in this subthread: "I am under the impression that western governments don't do this." > We have evidence that certain states -- China, Russia, Israel, Vietnamn, etc. -- employs state-sponsored troll groups. We seem to have knowledge that it occurs more than zero. What we do not have is evidence for most of the specific claims in the media, which tend to provide either zero evidence, or link to the "wild card" single case where Russia "was" caught engaging in it. > We don't have evidence that most countries use such strategies. You are describing your opinion about what evidence "we" have. https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-phrase-no-evidence-is-a-red-flag https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-phrase-no-evidence... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_a_negative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_a_negative > It's like claiming that Japan has the worst ninjas since good ninjas don't expose themselves and we haven't heard anything about other countries' ninjas. In what way do you believe that it is like this? For example, it is also like having ham and cheese sandwiches for brunch, in that it involves human beings.