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Yet they're making huge stock buybacks and profits each quarter... something is fishy. This is going to royally backfire as soon as the first big tech company

Yet they're making huge stock buybacks and profits each quarter... something is fishy. This is going to royally backfire as soon as the first big tech company blinks and starts hiring and poaching frustrated engineers. The exact same thing happened in the aftermath of '08 where companies that cut and held salaries flat were scrambling in '09 to retain and keep engineers--I distinctly remember Microsoft doing an across the board increase in salary to try to stem the bleeding and attrition.

bagacrap 3y ago
Yea I think they already gave up on trying to compete for talent. I mean look, they basically cancelled the Edge team and kept a skeleton crew around to customize Chromium. They can just throw money at new tech or businesses rather than growing it at home. Still, this has got to be a gut punch for employees who see $MSFT outperforming the rest of the market by a record margin.
asd88 3y ago
Nah, Microsoft has been underpaying engineers in the US for almost a decade now. Their solution is just to replace one frustrated engineer leaving with three in India and that seems to be working great.
- alephnerd 3y ago
  It's happening at other Big Tech firms as well tbh. Also, plenty of Indian Nationals working at these firms who are stuck in the immigration purgatory have started returning to India to work at the same employer's office there (albeit with a TC adjustment that is still competitive). Heck, even Big Tech and target startup salaries in India have begun reaching the $30-50k range (take a look at YC startups hiring in India for example). At this point, a lot of fresh Indian H1-B talent coming to the US are those who were stuck working at shitty outsourcing companies (talent which Indian companies won't touch), saved up money to do a random STEM masters to get the F-1, get a couple years of American work experience plus save dollars, and then return to India. Same thing happened with the Electronics industry in the 1990s-early 2000s with Taiwanese nationals leaving Silicon Valley to return to Taiwan or moving to HK/mainland China (live in HK, commute to Shenzhen/Dongguan/Guangzhou), Korean nationals returning to work for Korean companies in the 2000s-early 2010s, and Chinese nationals in the 2010s-Present returning to Mainland China.
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bagacrap 3y ago

Yea I think they already gave up on trying to compete for talent. I mean look, they basically cancelled the Edge team and kept a skeleton crew around to customize Chromium. They can just throw money at new tech or businesses rather than growing it at home. Still, this has got to be a gut punch for employees who see $MSFT outperforming the rest of the market by a record margin.

asd88 3y ago

Nah, Microsoft has been underpaying engineers in the US for almost a decade now. Their solution is just to replace one frustrated engineer leaving with three in India and that seems to be working great.

alephnerd 3y ago
It's happening at other Big Tech firms as well tbh. Also, plenty of Indian Nationals working at these firms who are stuck in the immigration purgatory have started returning to India to work at the same employer's office there (albeit with a TC adjustment that is still competitive). Heck, even Big Tech and target startup salaries in India have begun reaching the $30-50k range (take a look at YC startups hiring in India for example). At this point, a lot of fresh Indian H1-B talent coming to the US are those who were stuck working at shitty outsourcing companies (talent which Indian companies won't touch), saved up money to do a random STEM masters to get the F-1, get a couple years of American work experience plus save dollars, and then return to India. Same thing happened with the Electronics industry in the 1990s-early 2000s with Taiwanese nationals leaving Silicon Valley to return to Taiwan or moving to HK/mainland China (live in HK, commute to Shenzhen/Dongguan/Guangzhou), Korean nationals returning to work for Korean companies in the 2000s-early 2010s, and Chinese nationals in the 2010s-Present returning to Mainland China.
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