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The Erasmus Network

77 points by pantalaimon 3y ago

rozenmd 3y ago
I (an Australian) met my wife (French) while on Erasmus in the Netherlands - incredible opportunity for meeting people around the world.
- riffraff 3y ago
  today is the tenth year anniversary of my wedding, with a wife I also met during my Erasmus. As someone once told me 15 years ago, the EU has had two great successes: the Erasmus program, and Ryanair.
  - danijelb 3y ago
    Another great success that didn't exist 15 years ago - no more roaming charges
  - ktosobcy 3y ago
    EU have a lot of nice things going, and one appreciate it more while outside EU ;-)
  - nice__two 3y ago
    I’m convinced that the Erasmus programme (and it’s not so serious counterparts such as AEGEE and IAESTE) contribute to lasting peace in Europe by marrying people between nations.
  - tough 3y ago
    Lol why ryanair?
    - riffraff 3y ago
      a few decades ago flying in Europe was stupidly expensive, and mostly done by national companies. It was for managers or expensive once-a-year vacations. The concept of a weekend getaway did not exist Ryanair was the first company in Europe to be massively successful offering low cost international flights (being allowed by new regulations) and drastically changed the market.
luplex 3y ago
I found myself in there! I wonder if the US would benefit from providing a similar scheme of cross-country exchanges
- hatmatrix 3y ago
  May be better to exchange students between city and rural schools.
- riffraff 3y ago
  AFAIR the US already partecipates in the Erasmus Mundus program
- ihaveajob 3y ago
  I didn't do Erasmus, but I won a similar exchange program that brought me from the University of Granada to UC Irvine, where I met my now wife. Life changing experience.
- juujian 3y ago
  The problem is that US universities charge exorbitant fees, and that creates a problem for exchange programs with (continental) European universities. American universities are mostly unwilling to waive fees for European students who are used to not paying any significant fees, and European universities are not going to pay for it on behalf of the students.
- rerx 3y ago
  There's the Fulbright program with bilateral exchanges with many countries. According to wikipedia.de, on average each German university or college sends 55 students in a year to the US with a Fullbright scholarship.
johngladtj 3y ago
How in the world is it legal for that dataset to be freely available for anyone to download when it clearly contains uniquely identifiable personal information? I can literally identify multiple people! Why hasn't this data at the very least been aggregated in such a way that any random idiot like me can't just take a quick look and identify at least 2 people in less than 5 minutes? How is this in line with GDPR? Certainly the exceptions for statistics don't totally eliminate the requirement for them to minimize the data collection and publication to only fulfill the requirements. What legal basis do they have to make personal information of thousands of people freely available with no anonymization at all? What public benefit is there in making public the data for specific people, instead of non-uniquely identifiable buckets of people?
- TheFragenTaken 3y ago
  They (the students) probably accepted it, and signed an informed consent.
  - johngladtj 3y ago
    I can assure you I didn't! The only forms I signed were the ones that I was required to sign in order to even go on Erasmus
    - marbu 3y ago
      I studied in the Netherlands as Czech Erasmus student about 12 years ago and I recall that one had to fill out a questionnaire about their experience and study during the exchange, and that the results were public for anyone to see[1], which included information about home and receiving institution, courses and so on. And people often consulted this database before submitting an application for their stay, so I would not say that they didn't know about it. And while it's likely that local legal conditions differs a bit and that it changed over time, I'm not surprised that such high level data are public. [1] https://erasmus-databaze.naep.cz/modules/erasmus/ https://erasmus-databaze.naep.cz/modules/erasmus/
  - tgv 3y ago
spyremeown 3y ago
Map is not loading for me. Maybe it got hugged to death?
tristor 3y ago
When I was a digital nomad I enjoyed meeting folks from Europe everywhere I went that were on Erasmus. They always had created a little pocket of community and were welcoming to strangers.
paulusthe 3y ago
Erasmus is under heralded but an incredible program. Similar to the scholar himself.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Erasmus was awesome. I remember getting a card as a lone American in Dresden. One difference I recall was that being a university student in Germany felt like a super-power compared to my time in the U.S. Everything seemed less expensive, subsidized travel and housing, lots of events hosted for you to meet people…
lamp987 3y ago
I liked Erasmus, it was the easiest way to get girls as a uni student by far.
uncletaco 3y ago
Top comments are in line with a movie I saw where all the kids were in Erasmus and it seemed like the ideal way to hook up/connect with potential lovers one might not have connected with in any other context.
- Broussebar 3y ago
  Are you talking about l’auberge espagnole[1]? This movie really promoted Erasmus in France at the time. [1] https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0283900/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0283900/
  - uncletaco 3y ago
    Yeah that's the one. I have extremely vague memories of it but I've heard people talk about it a lot.
toomim 3y ago
For those new to this (like me), Erasmus seems to be a non-profit that facilitates studying abroad: https://www.esn.org https://www.esn.org Can anyone else explain more?
- gobip 3y ago
  Erasmus is a common word in european language, meaning "exchange". Imagine you live in Paris, you're a French person, you will probably "go on an erasmus" during your studies. You will study abroad during one semester, in Berlin for example. In Europe, we also say "erasmus" for people who went abroad, outside the EU (USA for example). It's harder to go on an exchange in the USA as you have to translate your grades, everything is more expensive (no european health insurance, etc). Hope this helps.
  - zulln 3y ago
    Erasmus is a specific program that does exchanges within the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme In Sweden, we only use that word to talk about exchange studies within that program. If someone mentions Erasmus, I would never, before reading your comment, even consider they might mean going to the USA. Not to disqualify your experience, it might very well be used like that in your country or language. I just thought it was a bit interesting.
- arikaun 3y ago
  Former ESNer here. The Erasmus Student Network is a volunteer-run organization in 100+ Cities all over Europe. It works like this: You go on Erasmus to a foreign city and you find an ESN chapter there. Among other things, the ESN people there will organize events for you to participate in, help you get a mobile phone SIM card, a bank account and organize parties to mix Erasmus students with local students. In my city I organized movie nights inside of the university and showed Austrian movies with english subtitles (e.g. Wolf Haas movies or "Muttertag") so foreign exchange students could learn about Austria and Austrian humour. There was a welcome party at the beginning of every semester in a big club with 600+ people and a goodbye party at the end of every semester. In between there were movie nights, museum vists, skiing trips, wine road trips, city tours, pub crawls and lots of other stuff to do and get to know Graz and Austria. All of this is organized by volunteers (ESN members) who do this in their free time. There are city chapters of ESN (ESN Graz, ESN Vienna etc.) and above them a country chapter (ESN Austria). ESN Austria is a platform where all the volunteers meet and exchange information and ideas and talk about what works and what doesn't for our students. ESN Austria organized a skiing trip every year where they booked whole hotel and hundreds of Erasmus students from all over Austria could go there and try out skiing for a few days. Participating was cheap for the Erasmus students because ESN people got sponsors on board (e.g. free Red Bull and lots of other stuff). ESN Austria also had a cooperation with an Austrian telco and if you were an Erasmus students and you come to our office during our office hours, we give you a free sim card and a cheap bank account. The telco and the bank would pay us a few € for every activated sim card and every opened bank account and since ESN is a non-profit that money would go right back to the students (e.g. subsidized museum trips and other cultural events). It's really a win-win-win situation for everyone. I was never on Erasmus but I was a volunteer for ESN both in my hometown and in our national chapter and due to this I got to know lots of amazing people, both volunteers and students, learned a lot, had a lot of fund and acquired a few skills that would turn out to be quite useful in my later life.
expertentipp 3y ago
Meh, I didn't qualify as a STEM student. Meantime all female colleagues studying "Spanish" and "Italian" had parties and sex of their lives in Valencia, Granada, Milan, Barcelona, Sicily, and others. For me the Erasums could be shut down. Don't even remember me this program.
- netrus 3y ago
  Hm, the technical university I studied at (in a STEM program) has dozens of Erasmus partner universities, including programs in Sevilla, Milan, Istanbul and of course Barcelona. Erasmus is definitely open to all fields - maybe your university just had a bad international office?
  - expertentipp 3y ago
    Whatever, doesn't matter, too late.
- Boltgolt 3y ago
  Rare to see a comment this bitter. Either way, under Erasmus+ anyone studying a university level course can apply
postalponed 3y ago
That reminds me that I did some visualisation of Erasmus data for a data-vis course in uni https://erasmus.robinfellinger.eu/ https://erasmus.robinfellinger.eu/ Was quite fun playing around and exploring that dataset.
yardie 3y ago
I lived abroad for a while. So I wasn't the right demographic for Erasmus being American. But I made so many friends who were participants. I ended meeting them at the same bars and cafes. Where students and just graduated, former students would meet and hangup. I didn't get to do any exchange programs just 4 years of my nose to grindstone. And I feel like I really missed out and messed up.
goplayoutside 3y ago
Context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme

77 points by pantalaimon 3y ago

I (an Australian) met my wife (French) while on Erasmus in the Netherlands - incredible opportunity for meeting people around the world.

riffraff 3y ago
today is the tenth year anniversary of my wedding, with a wife I also met during my Erasmus. As someone once told me 15 years ago, the EU has had two great successes: the Erasmus program, and Ryanair.
- danijelb 3y ago
  Another great success that didn't exist 15 years ago - no more roaming charges
- ktosobcy 3y ago
  EU have a lot of nice things going, and one appreciate it more while outside EU ;-)
- nice__two 3y ago
  I’m convinced that the Erasmus programme (and it’s not so serious counterparts such as AEGEE and IAESTE) contribute to lasting peace in Europe by marrying people between nations.
- tough 3y ago
  Lol why ryanair?
  - riffraff 3y ago
    a few decades ago flying in Europe was stupidly expensive, and mostly done by national companies. It was for managers or expensive once-a-year vacations. The concept of a weekend getaway did not exist Ryanair was the first company in Europe to be massively successful offering low cost international flights (being allowed by new regulations) and drastically changed the market.

luplex 3y ago

I found myself in there! I wonder if the US would benefit from providing a similar scheme of cross-country exchanges

hatmatrix 3y ago
May be better to exchange students between city and rural schools.
riffraff 3y ago
AFAIR the US already partecipates in the Erasmus Mundus program
ihaveajob 3y ago
I didn't do Erasmus, but I won a similar exchange program that brought me from the University of Granada to UC Irvine, where I met my now wife. Life changing experience.
juujian 3y ago
The problem is that US universities charge exorbitant fees, and that creates a problem for exchange programs with (continental) European universities. American universities are mostly unwilling to waive fees for European students who are used to not paying any significant fees, and European universities are not going to pay for it on behalf of the students.
rerx 3y ago
There's the Fulbright program with bilateral exchanges with many countries. According to wikipedia.de, on average each German university or college sends 55 students in a year to the US with a Fullbright scholarship.

johngladtj 3y ago

How in the world is it legal for that dataset to be freely available for anyone to download when it clearly contains uniquely identifiable personal information? I can literally identify multiple people! Why hasn't this data at the very least been aggregated in such a way that any random idiot like me can't just take a quick look and identify at least 2 people in less than 5 minutes? How is this in line with GDPR? Certainly the exceptions for statistics don't totally eliminate the requirement for them to minimize the data collection and publication to only fulfill the requirements. What legal basis do they have to make personal information of thousands of people freely available with no anonymization at all? What public benefit is there in making public the data for specific people, instead of non-uniquely identifiable buckets of people?

TheFragenTaken 3y ago
They (the students) probably accepted it, and signed an informed consent.
- johngladtj 3y ago
  I can assure you I didn't! The only forms I signed were the ones that I was required to sign in order to even go on Erasmus
  - marbu 3y ago
    I studied in the Netherlands as Czech Erasmus student about 12 years ago and I recall that one had to fill out a questionnaire about their experience and study during the exchange, and that the results were public for anyone to see[1], which included information about home and receiving institution, courses and so on. And people often consulted this database before submitting an application for their stay, so I would not say that they didn't know about it. And while it's likely that local legal conditions differs a bit and that it changed over time, I'm not surprised that such high level data are public. [1] https://erasmus-databaze.naep.cz/modules/erasmus/ https://erasmus-databaze.naep.cz/modules/erasmus/
- tgv 3y ago

spyremeown 3y ago

Map is not loading for me. Maybe it got hugged to death?

tristor 3y ago

When I was a digital nomad I enjoyed meeting folks from Europe everywhere I went that were on Erasmus. They always had created a little pocket of community and were welcoming to strangers.

paulusthe 3y ago

Erasmus is under heralded but an incredible program. Similar to the scholar himself.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Erasmus was awesome. I remember getting a card as a lone American in Dresden. One difference I recall was that being a university student in Germany felt like a super-power compared to my time in the U.S. Everything seemed less expensive, subsidized travel and housing, lots of events hosted for you to meet people…

lamp987 3y ago

I liked Erasmus, it was the easiest way to get girls as a uni student by far.

uncletaco 3y ago

Top comments are in line with a movie I saw where all the kids were in Erasmus and it seemed like the ideal way to hook up/connect with potential lovers one might not have connected with in any other context.

Broussebar 3y ago
Are you talking about l’auberge espagnole[1]? This movie really promoted Erasmus in France at the time. [1] https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0283900/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0283900/
- uncletaco 3y ago
  Yeah that's the one. I have extremely vague memories of it but I've heard people talk about it a lot.

toomim 3y ago

For those new to this (like me), Erasmus seems to be a non-profit that facilitates studying abroad: https://www.esn.org https://www.esn.org Can anyone else explain more?

gobip 3y ago
Erasmus is a common word in european language, meaning "exchange". Imagine you live in Paris, you're a French person, you will probably "go on an erasmus" during your studies. You will study abroad during one semester, in Berlin for example. In Europe, we also say "erasmus" for people who went abroad, outside the EU (USA for example). It's harder to go on an exchange in the USA as you have to translate your grades, everything is more expensive (no european health insurance, etc). Hope this helps.
- zulln 3y ago
  Erasmus is a specific program that does exchanges within the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme In Sweden, we only use that word to talk about exchange studies within that program. If someone mentions Erasmus, I would never, before reading your comment, even consider they might mean going to the USA. Not to disqualify your experience, it might very well be used like that in your country or language. I just thought it was a bit interesting.
arikaun 3y ago
Former ESNer here. The Erasmus Student Network is a volunteer-run organization in 100+ Cities all over Europe. It works like this: You go on Erasmus to a foreign city and you find an ESN chapter there. Among other things, the ESN people there will organize events for you to participate in, help you get a mobile phone SIM card, a bank account and organize parties to mix Erasmus students with local students. In my city I organized movie nights inside of the university and showed Austrian movies with english subtitles (e.g. Wolf Haas movies or "Muttertag") so foreign exchange students could learn about Austria and Austrian humour. There was a welcome party at the beginning of every semester in a big club with 600+ people and a goodbye party at the end of every semester. In between there were movie nights, museum vists, skiing trips, wine road trips, city tours, pub crawls and lots of other stuff to do and get to know Graz and Austria. All of this is organized by volunteers (ESN members) who do this in their free time. There are city chapters of ESN (ESN Graz, ESN Vienna etc.) and above them a country chapter (ESN Austria). ESN Austria is a platform where all the volunteers meet and exchange information and ideas and talk about what works and what doesn't for our students. ESN Austria organized a skiing trip every year where they booked whole hotel and hundreds of Erasmus students from all over Austria could go there and try out skiing for a few days. Participating was cheap for the Erasmus students because ESN people got sponsors on board (e.g. free Red Bull and lots of other stuff). ESN Austria also had a cooperation with an Austrian telco and if you were an Erasmus students and you come to our office during our office hours, we give you a free sim card and a cheap bank account. The telco and the bank would pay us a few € for every activated sim card and every opened bank account and since ESN is a non-profit that money would go right back to the students (e.g. subsidized museum trips and other cultural events). It's really a win-win-win situation for everyone. I was never on Erasmus but I was a volunteer for ESN both in my hometown and in our national chapter and due to this I got to know lots of amazing people, both volunteers and students, learned a lot, had a lot of fund and acquired a few skills that would turn out to be quite useful in my later life.

expertentipp 3y ago

Meh, I didn't qualify as a STEM student. Meantime all female colleagues studying "Spanish" and "Italian" had parties and sex of their lives in Valencia, Granada, Milan, Barcelona, Sicily, and others. For me the Erasums could be shut down. Don't even remember me this program.

netrus 3y ago
Hm, the technical university I studied at (in a STEM program) has dozens of Erasmus partner universities, including programs in Sevilla, Milan, Istanbul and of course Barcelona. Erasmus is definitely open to all fields - maybe your university just had a bad international office?
- expertentipp 3y ago
  Whatever, doesn't matter, too late.
Boltgolt 3y ago
Rare to see a comment this bitter. Either way, under Erasmus+ anyone studying a university level course can apply

postalponed 3y ago

That reminds me that I did some visualisation of Erasmus data for a data-vis course in uni https://erasmus.robinfellinger.eu/ https://erasmus.robinfellinger.eu/ Was quite fun playing around and exploring that dataset.

yardie 3y ago

I lived abroad for a while. So I wasn't the right demographic for Erasmus being American. But I made so many friends who were participants. I ended meeting them at the same bars and cafes. Where students and just graduated, former students would meet and hangup. I didn't get to do any exchange programs just 4 years of my nose to grindstone. And I feel like I really missed out and messed up.

goplayoutside 3y ago

Context: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Programme