5 ms·

Interesting justification for their subscription model [0]: > Naturally, developers benefit from the subscription model by having a more regular income, but cu

Interesting justification for their subscription model [0]: > Naturally, developers benefit from the subscription model by having a more regular income, but customers also benefit because they hold more power over the developer to fix bugs and provide regular updates in mind of you keeping your repeat subscription active. I'd love to learn of cases for subscription software where subscribed customers were able to successfully pressure a developer to fix bugs by threatening to not resubscribe. Wouldn't bug and feature bounties be a better solution, if indeed empowering customers is the true reason for subcriptions? I can see how subscriptions might be good for the subset of customers for whom it is easier to use opex funds to subscribe, rather than capex funds for perpetual licenses. It can be the difference between simply submitting a expense report versus going through a months-long series of committee meetings. [0] https://twinbasic.com/preorder.html https://twinbasic.com/preorder.html

jaclaz 3y ago
>We appreciate that some customers would much prefer a perpetual licence, but to ensure the longevity of this project we ask you to kindly accept the subscription model that we've designed to accommodate our current and future needs. Shouldn't that be "we kindly ask" ? (a customer should be free to - say - "grudgingly accept").
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- nicenewtemp84 3y ago
  I'm a nonnative speakers of English although I moved to the US just in time for Kindergarten. Never spoke English at home though. I still commonly invert word orders like this at 38 years old. Around 25 years old I realized I did it, and am more conscious of it. But I almost do it on purpose now to get people to pay attention more. My justification is "it makes them think a bit!" And I believe that's good for both parties.
- zem 3y ago
  "kindly accept" is a very standard idiom, at least in indian english. don't know about other dialects.
  - jaclaz 3y ago
    I don't know, I am dubious as - AFAICT - "kindly accept" is used (and makes sense) for something that is given to the person, like apologies, a present, an application. In the context of asking to accept a (imposed as there are no alternatives) licensing model and a fee it sounds to me "strange".
    - zem 3y ago
      no, "kindly accept" basically means "be so kind as to accept". even disregarding the idiomatic nature of the phrase and just looking at "kindly" as an adverb, grammatically when you say "we ask you to kindly accept" the person being asked is the source of the kindness, and the person doing the asking is the recipient. "kindly ask" does not make much sense, since you are not being kind by asking for something.
      - jaclaz 3y ago
        "kindly ask" is common enough: https://glosbe.com/en/en/we%20kindly%20ask%20you%20to%20contact https://glosbe.com/en/en/we%20kindly%20ask%20you%20to%20cont... https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-italian/kindly+ask https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-italian/kind... Maybe indian english is different or however has its own peculiarities.
- penteract 3y ago
  I think it makes sense as written. They're saying you are being kind if you accept it (even if you accept it grudgingly). "We kindly ask" would imply they are being kind by asking (they may want to try to be kind while asking, but I don't think that's achieved just by saying so).

jaclaz 3y ago

>We appreciate that some customers would much prefer a perpetual licence, but to ensure the longevity of this project we ask you to kindly accept the subscription model that we've designed to accommodate our current and future needs. Shouldn't that be "we kindly ask" ? (a customer should be free to - say - "grudgingly accept").

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
nicenewtemp84 3y ago
I'm a nonnative speakers of English although I moved to the US just in time for Kindergarten. Never spoke English at home though. I still commonly invert word orders like this at 38 years old. Around 25 years old I realized I did it, and am more conscious of it. But I almost do it on purpose now to get people to pay attention more. My justification is "it makes them think a bit!" And I believe that's good for both parties.
zem 3y ago
"kindly accept" is a very standard idiom, at least in indian english. don't know about other dialects.
- jaclaz 3y ago
  I don't know, I am dubious as - AFAICT - "kindly accept" is used (and makes sense) for something that is given to the person, like apologies, a present, an application. In the context of asking to accept a (imposed as there are no alternatives) licensing model and a fee it sounds to me "strange".
  - zem 3y ago
    no, "kindly accept" basically means "be so kind as to accept". even disregarding the idiomatic nature of the phrase and just looking at "kindly" as an adverb, grammatically when you say "we ask you to kindly accept" the person being asked is the source of the kindness, and the person doing the asking is the recipient. "kindly ask" does not make much sense, since you are not being kind by asking for something.
    - jaclaz 3y ago
      "kindly ask" is common enough: https://glosbe.com/en/en/we%20kindly%20ask%20you%20to%20contact https://glosbe.com/en/en/we%20kindly%20ask%20you%20to%20cont... https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-italian/kindly+ask https://context.reverso.net/translation/english-italian/kind... Maybe indian english is different or however has its own peculiarities.
penteract 3y ago
I think it makes sense as written. They're saying you are being kind if you accept it (even if you accept it grudgingly). "We kindly ask" would imply they are being kind by asking (they may want to try to be kind while asking, but I don't think that's achieved just by saying so).